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Eddie Bravo put on an extraordinary performance at Metamoris 3 last month, dominating Royler Gracie with an overwhelming number of sweeps, passes, and submission attempts. Bravo is the most innovative figure in Jiu-Jitsu, and proved not just the remarkable efficacy of his unique style, but far beyond that, proved that grappling can be exciting.

Metamoris needed a riveting match to prove that jiujitsu can be compelling for a television audience, and they got it from Eddie Bravo, at age 43, and Royler Gracie, at age 48.

The match began as did many of them, with Bravo pulling half guard. Royler played a heavy top game, but could not get past Bravo's quarter guard, which was aided by Bravo's gi pants. After about the eight minute mark, Bravo became aggressive, and began to attack, using textbook (literally) Eddie Bravo Half Guard techniques.

Bravo went from Quarter Guard to Lockdown, repeatedly landed the Electric Chair, and ended up with a Vaporizer that would have shredded the knee of any normal world-class grappler.

However, Royler saw a different fight.

MMAFighting's Guilherme Cruz has the story.

"How did he win the fight? You can’t win if you didn’t submit the other guy," said Gracie. "That’s not how it works. He went there and just holds me. I’m not criticizing him. I’m almost 50 and I did well in there, so I also can say I feel like I won the fight.

"I didn’t see anything special from his game, again. I only saw him holding me, but who am I to criticize other’s games? I have to see my own game. In this tournament, you only win if you submit, so how can he say he won the fight if he didn’t submit me? I dominated the first 10 minutes of the fight, but it’s not a 10-minute fight and doesn’t have points, so I can’t say I won because of that."

"I really enjoyed the fight. I had a good start, dominated from the top for the first eight minutes. Eddie came prepared to counter attack, holding me, and he did that pretty well. He swept me, passed the guard went to side control, and I came back to top position again. We had our good moments in the fight. He created some good positions and some people thought he would submit me, but you don’t submit people with those positions. It’s a game completely different from the normal jiu-jitsu game.

"It’s a 20-minute fight with no points, so we can take risks we normally can’t in a regular 10-minute jiujitsu match. I heard some people say that he would have won if it had points, but it would have been a completely different fight with points, we would have had different strategies."

The first match between Gracie and Bravo ended in Eddie's favor, via a tap out to triangle, but Royler doesn't give his opponent much credit for that one, either.

"I still think that that fight was more a mistake from my side. He obviously had the merits to get there and submit me, but I’m sure that it was my fault. It’s an individual sport, so if you blink you have to pay the price. I was better prepared this time, I knew what he would do, so it helped me, even thought he got me in some positions. But the fight was pretty close."

Will there be a trilogy match?

"That’s not in my plans today, but it’s always possible," said Gracie. "This rematch settled it, or not? It left that taste in the mouth. Would I tap him? Would he tap me? That’s what makes it intriguing for the fans, it makes them want to watch Royler fight again. It’s awesome. I would like to, but that’s not in my plans now."

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Among traditional martial artists, there remains a large number of practitioners who still believe that their approach is superior for combat. To hold this belief, to think that you do not need to know how to fight on the ground for example, requires a nearly unfathomable, willful blindness.

Ironically, among some members of the Gracie family, it appears a similar pattern has taken hold.

At UFC 162 on July 6 last year, Roger Gracie lost a one-sided, three-round decision to Tim Kennedy, in a fight that saw Kennedy land 54 of 92 punches thrown, while Roger landed just 12 of 29.

Afterwards, UFC Hall of Famer Royce Gracie argued that the reason Gracie family fighters are not doing well is actually because they are cross training. 

"Jiu-jitsu is enough," said Royce. "I’ve trained boxing in the past to learn the distance, trained wrestling to understand how he would take me down, but I won’t get there to fight my opponent’s game. The guys from the family want to complement their game, like if jiu-jitsu was incomplete. I guess they forgot a little about history."

"Roger, like any other member of the family, is trying to learn wrestling, boxing. I believe in pure jiu-jitsu. That’s what I’ve done in the past. You have to go back to your roots and train Gracie jiu-jitsu."

Royler was right in that there were no points at Metamoris. However, as the saying goes, the uniforms and the rules may change, but it's all wrestling. Wrestling is humankind's oldest sport, and regardless of the point system or lack of one, it always comes down to a almost biblical standard - "Whose will be done?"

Eddie Bravo pulled a Quarter Guard, patiently worked to a Lockdown, and then put on a 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu clinic, with a domination series of sweeps, passes, and submissions, that would have crippled nearly any other grappler on the planet.

Eddie Bravo imposed his will on Royler Gracie. There is nothing wrong with losing. The only way to never lose is to never compete (or to be Rickson but that's another story). But there is something wrong with refusing to acknowledge reality.

The debt that martial arts owes to the Gracie family is incalculable. Their ground technique and reliance on refining technique through no rules fighting has influenced martial arts more than anything, ever. Thus these recent remarks shouldn't arouse anger so much as bewilderment, and genuine sadness.


4/12/14 10:06 AM
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Then what does that say about GJJ? Phone Post 3.0
4/12/14 10:08 AM
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they fucking Gracies!

as a life long fan of these men it hurts my soul when I read shit like this. Were not drinking the kool aid anymore guys.

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Hmmm can't read from app, surprise surprise... Phone Post
4/12/14 10:11 AM
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Oh course he didn't see anything, he was getting smothered the whole time. Makes it tough to see shit.
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And yes I know it's on the news section as well. Phone Post
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Wow, tough to read. Makes me cringe. Phone Post 3.0
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He has a blackbelt in delusion. Phone Post
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This is the grappling equivalent of shaking your head when you get almost KO'd from a punch in MMA.  You try and pretend it didn't hurt you.  I imagine Royler's knee and leg have a different opinion of the match.

4/12/14 10:22 AM
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thesonsofmontana -  He has a blackbelt in delusion. Phone Post

VU... can't the Gracies ever act with any sort of class or take the high road? Ever?

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Jesus christ man give eddie his credit . Eddie DOMINATED!!! Fucking lol at royler saying he dominated the 1st 10 minutes , he couldn't do shit.
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Royler said "all he did was hold me, pin me down." Give me a break! Royler never had EB in trouble, not ONCE. That sloppy von flue choke in the beginning was never close.

Whereas Eddie had Royler in trouble over & over again with deep subs. Credit for Royler not to tap, especially that knee crank at the end, whoa! But how Royler can come out & say this stuff is laughable.

If it wasn't so funny it would be sad. Or is that the other way around?

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I think some of u are commenting strictly on the headline.

I agree that Bravo did better in the match than Royler. He had several sub attempts.

Royler does make one valid point regarding ppls claims that if the match were scored on points, Bravo won. True but if the match was being scored on points, they both for sure would have competed differently Phone Post 3.0
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ugh, royler. stop it man.
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The entire family needs to hire a single publicist and absolutely not speak in public ever without checking with him first. I try not to be to judgy, because if my whole life revolved around defending my familys long fighting history and honor through physical confrontation id say some out there stuff too but damn, somone needs to be able to sit em down and get them to step back and see how they come off. They don't have like one friend who can sit them down and be like man you guys are coming off like bad guys in an 80's movie. I say this as a life long fan of the whole family and will cheer for them regardless.
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pathetic attitude, who would have thought?
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Morgz - I think some of u are commenting strictly on the headline.

I agree that Bravo did better in the match than Royler. He had several sub attempts.

Royler does make one valid point regarding ppls claims that if the match were scored on points, Bravo won. True but if the match was being scored on points, they both for sure would have competed differently Phone Post 3.0

True, but if the positions were reversed, the Gracies would have a parade celebrating Royler's victory while Gracie magazine would devote the next ten issues to Royler's dominant strategy that got him the win.

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Careful all gjj affiliate gyms.. you will all be getting a package from Brazil containing koolaid that smells a bit off. Don't drink it!
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Lmao Phone Post 3.0
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They could have totally spun this whole thing pro Gracie, especially after Eddies victory speech. Could have had Kron and Ralek hang around Bravo and talked about how there family spread bjj to the next generation, how the Machados are family and they consider Eddie family. Thats the route they should have taken if they wanted to save face they would have made like Gracie jiu jitsu just lost to mre gjj. Eddie is so humble he would have let them go pretty far that way i bet, especially if they were marketing him on top of it.
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Morgz - I think some of u are commenting strictly on the headline.

I agree that Bravo did better in the match than Royler. He had several sub attempts.

Royler does make one valid point regarding ppls claims that if the match were scored on points, Bravo won. True but if the match was being scored on points, they both for sure would have competed differently Phone Post 3.0

i dont think so,i think eddie would have won in a point format.
i just want to hear eddie say he wasnt on the juice for this match.i know he's done it before,i know he condones it.just not sure if he stopped doing it for this match.
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Morgz - I think some of u are commenting strictly on the headline.

I agree that Bravo did better in the match than Royler. He had several sub attempts.

Royler does make one valid point regarding ppls claims that if the match were scored on points, Bravo won. True but if the match was being scored on points, they both for sure would have competed differently Phone Post 3.0

i dont think so,i think eddie would have won in a point format.
i just want to hear eddie say he wasnt on the juice for this match.i know he's done it before,i know he condones it.just not sure if he stopped doing it for this match.

Well this just got more interesting......
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Are any Gracies humble?

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higherprimate718 - ugh, royler. stop it man.
He said you only win if you submit the other guy and holding for 10 mins isn't winning. Then he turns around and says he thinks he won...wtf lol Phone Post 3.0

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