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Tell her maybe her husband's next wife will take the last name and have kids with him.
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Mencken - 

The name change thing is clearly a vestige of a patriachal society, and so I find it hard to blame women for not wanting to take the male's name.  

That said, you're totally correct about the ring issue.  

 

Ya, my mum didn't change her name, but she had no issue with us kids taking our father's name. I can't really think of any argument against, I mean why should a woman have to change her name?

 

Better this way as her family's name lives on -- I've got her last name as a middle name and, if anything, I like having both an Italian and Greek name as it keeps both sides of my family alive and shows both roots. Plus, the implication of following the tradition of male-last-names is having a girl means your lineage dies off... That's kind of fucked lol

 

It might be a bit different in my case though as I'm insanely close with both of my extended families, my mom also bought my father a very nice wedding gift and throughout their marriage, they've basically spent equal time raising us kids and equal time making money for the house -- both owned their own companies and travelled regularly. 

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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

Seems like a horrible way to look at life
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Isaac298 - She's right if she applies her philosophy to everything. From the details we have she is not. Phone Post 3.0

she's right period. the question of whether she consistent about it, or in fact a hypocrite, is another matter.
How can she be right if she's not consistent . It makes her a hypocrite which in almost everyone's book, is wrong Phone Post 3.0

she can be right about her name, and wrong about her ring. one does not preclude the other.

My thoughts

4/22/14 2:07 PM
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MattyIce - Eh, my wife didn't take my last name when we married last year. In fact, she doesn't even have her maiden name, it's her first husbands. She's had that last name for so long she just doesn't want to change it now. Doesn't bother me.

But we are older fuckers so no big deal. No kids or anything to worry about. And we didn't even bother with rings, just a hippie hand-binding ceremony.
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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

You're part of the problem. And don't deserve to be called a man.
4/22/14 2:08 PM
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MattyIce - Eh, my wife didn't take my last name when we married last year. In fact, she doesn't even have her maiden name, it's her first husbands. She's had that last name for so long she just doesn't want to change it now. Doesn't bother me.

But we are older fuckers so no big deal. No kids or anything to worry about. And we didn't even bother with rings, just a hippie hand-binding ceremony.

oh sweet baby jesus
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My wife`s good friend didn`t take her husbands last name and her reason was valid enough. She grew up in a hippy valley, born to hippy parents who named her Raven........innocent enough. However, when she married a fellow with the last name Wolfe she just couldn`t bring herself to become Raven Wolfe for the rest of her life. Had she been native it might have been cool, but in her mind it was just too stage namish for a petit blond with blue eyes.

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It's not unlike how I think women getting HALF of the money in a divorce settlement is a FUCKED UP vestige from  an antiquated patriarchal society (totally copying Mencken here) where women couldn't get jobs or provide for themselves.

 

If a chick want's to be a baby maker that's her choice nowadays, but that doesn't mean she had to be a stay at home mom. She could've easily gotten a job and had her own career and then she wouldn't need to be robbing mother fuckers of their hard earned cash or being a cunt during divorce

(exception being if a woman built up the fortune with her husband instead of coming late game lol)

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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

Seems like a horrible way to look at life

logically?

I guess...
4/22/14 2:12 PM
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My wife`s good friend didn`t take her husbands last name and her reason was valid enough. She grew up in a hippy valley, born to hippy parents who named her Raven........innocent enough. However, when she married a fellow with the last name Wolfe she just couldn`t bring herself to become Raven Wolfe for the rest of her life. Had she been native it might have been cool, but in her mind it was just too stage namish for a petit blond with blue eyes.


Sounds like a sexy pornstar name.
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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

Seems like a horrible way to look at life

logically?

I guess...

If you're implying you're looking at things logically, I disagree.

To imply values and traditions of the past have no meaning and are worthless is a pretty stupid thought process to take IMO. I'm not saying to never question if things are too out dated, but you just seem to like to "fight the man".

Are you against marriage? A nuclear family?
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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

You're part of the problem. And don't deserve to be called a man.

lol. why do you hate equality? I don't need to subjugate people other's to feel good about myself. Me thinks your problem is that you don't have anythign to actually hang your hat on except your dick.
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since no photo, this is what Ive decided to imagine this cunt to look like

 

http://owningmytruth.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/dsc03019.jpg

4/22/14 2:16 PM
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Daredevil73 - Every marriage I've where I've seen women do this has ended in divorce.

2 kids and almost 13 years married, still going strong. I'll keep you posted if anything changes.
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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

Seems like a horrible way to look at life

logically?

I guess...

If you're implying you're looking at things logically, I disagree.

To imply values and traditions of the past have no meaning and are worthless is a pretty stupid thought process to take IMO. I'm not saying to never question if things are too out dated, but you just seem to like to "fight the man".

Are you against marriage? A nuclear family?

"If you're implying you're looking at things logically, I disagree"

then make a logical argument that outlines your position.


"To imply values and traditions of the past have no meaning and are worthless is a pretty stupid thought process to take IMO."

because?

"I'm not saying to never question if things are too out dated, but you just seem to like to "fight the man"."

it's got nothing to do with the man, its about not taking "tradition" as a reason to do anything. because people used to do something in a certain fashion dosen't make it morally, or logically correct. I'm not against doing things that are traditional, if they actually make sense, but I'm 100% against doing anything solely because it's tradition.

"Are you against marriage?"

I don't see many worthwhile benefits to marriage, espcially for men. And most of them revolve aroudn having children. Companionship is good, but I'm not interested in signing any legal contracts because I want to hang out with someone.
4/22/14 2:21 PM
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My wife didn`t change her last name for about 3 or 4 years and I could give two shits at the time. Then again, we didn`t exactly do things the traditional way either. We got married on our second date, the rings we picked up at some kiosk in the mall for $15.00 on route to some place for a spontaneous ceremony (just the two of us) were made of hemp and fell apart off our fingers within the year, never to be replaced.

She changed her name after a few years, once she became pregnant with the first child. When she told me she was filing paperwork to change her last name, my initial response was ``hmmph, whatcha doin that for?" She told me it would make everything easier for tax reasons or something. "Okay, whatever......that's cool, I guess."

Now, had I put on the elaborate wedding costing thousands of dollars such as some people do, and spend thousands more on a ring.........perhaps I would have felt differently about the whole name thing. As it was, I could give two shits. We've been married almost 18 years now. The only time she hyphenates it with her last name is on facebook so old school mates will recognize her. I'm curious, do some of you see that as out of line? That is a legit question..........you never know with some of these og'ers.

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MattyIce - Eh, my wife didn't take my last name when we married last year. In fact, she doesn't even have her maiden name, it's her first husbands. She's had that last name for so long she just doesn't want to change it now. Doesn't bother me.

But we are older fuckers so no big deal. No kids or anything to worry about. And we didn't even bother with rings, just a hippie hand-binding ceremony.
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4/22/14 2:25 PM
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It's not unlike how I think women getting HALF of the money in a divorce settlement is a FUCKED UP vestige from  an antiquated patriarchal society (totally copying Mencken here) where women couldn't get jobs or provide for themselves.

 

If a chick want's to be a baby maker that's her choice nowadays, but that doesn't mean she had to be a stay at home mom. She could've easily gotten a job and had her own career and then she wouldn't need to be robbing mother fuckers of their hard earned cash or being a cunt during divorce

(exception being if a woman built up the fortune with her husband instead of coming late game lol)

If you want to sacrifice your career to tske care of your kids and be a good mother, and then your husband decides to leave you (therefore leaving you fucked without the career you would have had if you hadnt met the dude) then I'd say you definitely deserve part of his money. Not saying these absolute divorce alimony payments are fair, but they do have some logic Phone Post 3.0
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Ari2 - "So you see no benefit in traditions?"

absolutely none. the argument that something should be done because its "tradition" is a fallacious appeal to the authority of the past. if someone should be done it needs to pass muster in today's society.

"lol @ calling people out for misogyny, then calling people "stupid emotional traditionalists""

because? being a woman isn't a philosophy, being a traditionalist is.

Seems like a horrible way to look at life

logically?

I guess...

If you're implying you're looking at things logically, I disagree.

To imply values and traditions of the past have no meaning and are worthless is a pretty stupid thought process to take IMO. I'm not saying to never question if things are too out dated, but you just seem to like to "fight the man".

Are you against marriage? A nuclear family?
Whether you disagree or not, you're wrong. Tradition isn't a logical idea. Period. Ari is right in this situation. Tradition causes more stupidity and hate to exist in this world than anything else I can think of. (Trying to pray your kids cancer away, refusing vaccines, war over religious traditions/beliefs, etc) Phone Post 3.0
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MattyIce - Eh, my wife didn't take my last name when we married last year. In fact, she doesn't even have her maiden name, it's her first husbands. She's had that last name for so long she just doesn't want to change it now. Doesn't bother me.

But we are older fuckers so no big deal. No kids or anything to worry about. And we didn't even bother with rings, just a hippie hand-binding ceremony.

That's a fair point, I think once you're past the first marriage it's not that big of a deal.

Plus I get the feeling that you two were just doing it because, eh whatever and not in order to try to prove a point about equality.
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Ari2 must be the fiance of the woman mentioned in the OP

4/22/14 2:43 PM
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Zenoplata - Patriarchal society or not, it's a well established social norm that is not really worth getting rid of.

It signifies the joining of the family. To have separate last names identifies the bride and groom as two separate family units.

You say that because you don't have to give up your name.  I'm proud of my family's heritage, and I like the rich history of my clan (Scottish descent).  I don't see how that would change if I had a vagina


While I agree with you, like OP said, if she's going to forego that tradition, then she can forego the diamond ring tradition too.

The problem with feminazis is that they want equality, only when it is convenient for them. Fuck em.

that was on teh dude to "forego"

and calling someone a feminazi bitch because they don't want to change their name smacks of misogyny.

Ah misogyny, the feminazi's favorite word. Anyone that knows me knows I'm the farthest thing from a misogynist. I'm only speaking truth. I've yet to encounter a SINGLE feminist that advocates for real equality. They don't want real equality, they want "special" equality, like the pigs in Animal Farm. "All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others".

Let me say this carefully, and take note:

Women do not want and COULD NOT HANDLE true equality with men. When that ship is sinking and the life boats are loading up, you won't see an single feminist yell about equality when they announce WOMEN and children first.

/end to this nonsense discussion

"Anyone that knows me knows I'm the farthest thing from a misogynist."

right, thats why you just called a women who doesn't want to change her last name (because logically there is no good reason to do so), a "feminazi bitch."

"Women do not want and COULD NOT HANDLE true equality with men. "

maybe, maybe not, it's probably a case by case basis. but that still dosen't justify your anger.

1. I'm not angry.

2. I didn't call a woman a feminazi because she doesn't want to change her last name. She's a feminazi because she's making a big deal about it on her FB. That's what feminazi's do, constantly yell, "I am woman hear me roar"... when it's convenient for them that is. The first thing I said is that I agree with Mencken, when he said it's her prerogative if she wants to keep her last name. That said, I'm quite sure she probably wouldn't be okay if her husband told her, "well I'm not buying you a diamond ring, because that's antiquated". That's all I'm pointing out.

3. You can't refute what I said. It will be a cold day in hell when a feminist stands up for the rights of MEN in a situation that traditionally favors women. Won't happen. You know why? Because as I said, they aren't really interested in equality.
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He asked her to marry him, which also means asking to take his name..it's part of being someones husband. What a cunt.


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