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Barack Obama says 'the average minimum wage worker is 35 years old'

It’s become clear that raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 is one of President Barack Obama’s highest-priority proposals at the moment. The rhetoric coming out of his White House certainly supports that notion.

On April 26, Obama included this passage in his weekly address:

"Right now, there’s a bill that would boost America’s minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. That would lift wages for nearly 28 million Americans across the country. 28 million. And we’re not just talking about young people on their first job. The average minimum wage worker is 35 years old. They work hard, often in physically demanding jobs."

It’s pretty transparent that Obama is seeking to counter the notion that a wage hike would simply help teenagers taking a summer job or college students making some extra money slinging hash at the local diner.

But is Obama's specific claim that, "The average minimum wage worker is 35 years old" accurate?

The White House told us it used a study by the Economic Policy Institute. This is a liberal group that’s in tune with many of Obama’s policies, but for the moment, let’s put that aside.

The study looked at anyone earning less than $10.10 an hour, under the logic that raising the minimum wage to $10.10 wouldn’t just raise wages for those earning $7.25 an hour, but rather for everybody earning less than $10.10.

In addition, David Cooper, the author of the report, told PolitiFact that his calculations actually included everyone currently earning up to $11.10 -- a dollar more than Obama’s proposed minimum wage level. This decision was made on the assumption that anyone earning slightly above $10.10 at the time of the minimum-wage hike would also get a small boost, in order to keep them nestled correctly in a company’s wage hierarchy.

EPI found that the average age of workers earning under $11.10 is 35 years old.

If you don’t read Obama’s sentence closely, it would seem that he’s right. But actually, he muffed the talking point.

Whereas EPI’s study looked at workers who earned as much as four dollars an hour more than the federal minimum wage, Obama’s words referred to people who are actually being paid the minimum wage today.

We ran this by Cooper, the report’s author. He told PolitiFact that if you look at workers "at or near their effective state minimum wage," which he defined as within 3 percent of the minimum-wage level, the average age is 31.

That's in the ballpark but lower than the 35-year-old figure Obama cited.

In reality, the statistics on this specific point are murky. A different study by the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that 71 percent of minimum-wage workers are younger than 30 -- a starkly different picture of low-wage workers. But the BLS study has an important limitation -- it looked only at workers making exactly the federal minimum wage of $7.25 and below, so it doesn’t include workers from any of the 21 states and the District of Columbia that have enacted higher state minimum wages.

A few weeks earlier, the White House used the same EPI statistic correctly. In a tweet, White House spokesman Jay Carney touted an infographic that asked, among other things, "Who will raising the minimum wage actually help? … More than half work full-time. The average worker is 35 years old."

Carney’s claim focused on workers who will benefit from a wage hike, which is in line with what the study looked at. We rated that statement Half True, in part because the infographic ignored the different conclusion of the BLS study and relied only on one report from a friendly group.

This time, by contrast, Obama didn’t cite the correct number.

Our ruling

The White House had a point earlier this month when it tweeted that those who would benefit from a $10.10 wage hike average 35 years of age. But Obama’s subsequent comment was less accurate. In his weekly address, the actual statistic using the data from the same report is 31, and partial data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics suggests that the average age could be even lower than that. We rate the claim Mostly False.

 
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/apr/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-average-minimum-wage-worker-35-y/

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Well, there's lots of lazy people out there Phone Post 3.0
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averages don't mean shit here do they?

shouldn't these jobs be skewed to teenagers and pensioners.....the average of 18 year olds and 60 year olds could be 32 years...doesn't really shine any light does it?
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Raising the wage is the right thing to do....

 

 

unless your wal-mart, and might make less than 35 billion in profit this year, because of it.

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Raises in the minimum wage will get people fired, get jobs eliminated, promote automation over human labor, and cause prices for all goods and services to elevate (which will adversely impact the poor most harshly and immediately).    But at least the supporters will feel like they are helping people out.

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Raises in the minimum wage will get people fired, get jobs eliminated, promote automation over human labor, and cause prices for all goods and services to elevate (which will adversely impact the poor most harshly and immediately).    But at least the supporters will feel like they are helping people out.


What do yo suggest then? More tax breaks?

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Stores like winco are huge chains as well and they manage in most areas to pay at least 3 dollars above minimum wage, how are they able to do it and not have to charge through the roof or fire half the workforce?and costco as well

 

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Even if true who gives a fuck.


If you are still making min wage after a long time at a job you should say "self wtf are you doing" and either go back to school, or work harder to get promoted.
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Stores like winco are huge chains as well and they manage in most areas to pay at least 3 dollars above minimum wage, how are they able to do it and not have to charge through the roof or fire half the workforce?and costco as well

 


Starting salaries at winco are usually only a few cents higher than the minimum wage.
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So are people who strived to dob better than minimum wage going to get a 30% psy increase as well?


10 a hour for no skill jobs will pretty much put most rural/small town jobs out of business/ reduce employment. This won't hurt big business like it will small. Phone Post 3.0
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Raises in the minimum wage will get people fired, get jobs eliminated, promote automation over human labor, and cause prices for all goods and services to elevate (which will adversely impact the poor most harshly and immediately).    But at least the supporters will feel like they are helping people out.


What do yo suggest then? More tax breaks?


More tax breaks and lower the minimum wage until Americans live like Mexican peasants.
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Raises in the minimum wage will get people fired, get jobs eliminated, promote automation over human labor, and cause prices for all goods and services to elevate (which will adversely impact the poor most harshly and immediately).    But at least the supporters will feel like they are helping people out.


What do yo suggest then? More tax breaks?


How about we cut the overly complex benefits system that makes low wages like this possible.


Without gov benefits to bolster their income nobody would even bother to show up at a walmart.
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I love all the simplistic solutions. I can really tell the OG brain trust has thought long and hard about this issue and also have first hand experience with poverty and or unemployment. The RICH are sucking the middle class and lower classes dry and you dumb asses don't even know it. They are pissing on you and you think it is rain.
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Kazp306 - What kind of a 35 year old idiot lives in a place where they only make 7.50 an hour? Fuckin move Phone Post 3.0

The majority of people who earn minimum wage are between 16 and 24, and they usually don't stay in those jobs for long. They either get promoted to a higher position or leave to work somewhere else where they get paid more.

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gon get my rigtthful $15 a hour son.  u thank you gettin that whoper without a side of jiz think again lol

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Well, we won't hire at that rate.

Neither will our renters.

So there's a few jobs lost there... Phone Post 3.0
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Tidbits - I love all the simplistic solutions. I can really tell the OG brain trust has thought long and hard about this issue and also have first hand experience with poverty and or unemployment. The RICH are sucking the middle class and lower classes dry and you dumb asses don't even know it. They are pissing on you and you think it is rain.

And I suppose your solution would be to raise minimum wage?  Yeah, that will help.  Talk about a simplistic solution.  Higher prices and fewer jobs and incentivize automation over human labor, good answer.

I am not claiming to be an economist but the root of all this, IMHO, is with central banking and fiat currency.  Not far behind that is government mandates (i.e. minimum wage and excessive barriers to self-employment) among other things.  Most of the percieved problems are fueled by materialism and hyperconsumption, which is, IMHO, an underlying psychological/societial/cultural misguidance of values.

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Tidbits - I love all the simplistic solutions. I can really tell the OG brain trust has thought long and hard about this issue and also have first hand experience with poverty and or unemployment. The RICH are sucking the middle class and lower classes dry and you dumb asses don't even know it. They are pissing on you and you think it is rain.

And I suppose your solution would be to raise minimum wage?  Yeah, that will help.  Talk about a simplistic solution.  Higher prices and fewer jobs and incentivize automation over human labor, good answer.

I am not claiming to be an economist but the root of all this, IMHO, is with central banking and fiat currency.  Not far behind that is government mandates (i.e. minimum wage and excessive barriers to self-employment) among other things.  Most of the percieved problems are fueled by materialism and hyperconsumption, which is, IMHO, an underlying psychological/societial/cultural misguidance of values.


Raising the minimum wage IS NOT the solution, but it is PART. Along with higher corporate taxes, elimination of corporate welfare, penalties for companies that outsource labor, etc.
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...  Most of the perceived problems are fueled by materialism and hyper-consumption, which is, IMHO, an underlying psychological/societal/cultural misguidance of values.

Hoarders anyone?

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Good lord, how did we ever get to $7.25 without the destruction of the country? Phone Post 3.0
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THANKS OBAMA!!! Phone Post 3.0
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Raises in the minimum wage will get people fired, get jobs eliminated, promote automation over human labor, and cause prices for all goods and services to elevate (which will adversely impact the poor most harshly and immediately).    But at least the supporters will feel like they are helping people out.


What do yo suggest then? More tax breaks?

I suggest people learn skills that are worth more than minimum wage, Phone Post 3.0

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