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5/16/14 9:12 PM
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5/16/14 9:20 PM
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LawrenceKenshin -

Wow, I'm touched by the incredible support. It's truly an honor to be showcased on the UG, the community I consider the most diverse and integral in MMA. I hope that you guys will like my future breakdowns as well. 

I'd like to reiterate a few things: there's a small audience that's not happy with what Duke said. He was quite young (18) and had just watched someone he admired very much lose in a brutal fashion.

I included his speech to demonstrate what's critical to become an elite fighter / coach: open-mindedness, adaptibility, and willingness to admit an error. It's not a coincidence that elite coaches are open to constructive discussion and criticism -- they will often welcome it to improve. 

That's exactly what Duke did after the spontaneous speech, and I think his willingness to learn (which includes but isn't limited to authentic Muay Thai) after this match was fundamental to future development. His fights and accomplished team should speak for itself. He also became one of the few instructors in the world that has a comprehensive understanding of all combat sports. The cerebral approach to fights, willingness to learn, transition from the traditional arts to full contact made him my favorite striking coach. Any fighter would be lucky to be coached by him today. 

 

Voted up bro. Awesome video. Will definitely check out your other breakdowns. Phone Post 3.0
5/16/14 9:57 PM
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Many Thai fighters of that time would not have survived those first few rounds. That guy was a warrior. Duke was right about one thing, and that was that Kietsongrit didn't have too much else for him besides the leg kicks.
5/16/14 10:01 PM
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Wow.... great video, and I loved the interview at the end....
This goes to show, after Duke went to seminars, he became a "leg kicker"... And having been around him a few times in the gym. Duke is by far one of the greatest stand up coaches I have ever known. and he has a beautifully brutal leg kick...
Never had the chance to met Rick, but Duke is a walking encyclopedia of technique, and you cant help to respect when he talks... even when he isn't talking about fighting... (that's another story from a late night out)
5/16/14 11:44 PM
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the black dude from No Retreat No Surrender fought a Thai champ and faired pretty well Phone Post 3.0
5/17/14 12:37 AM
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wow that was brutal

the funny thing about the interview/excuse at the end was that the rules in this match also took away a lot of the Muay Thai skills like clinch work, throws, and elbows

if those were allowed Roufus would have been hurt much worse
5/17/14 12:38 AM
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here's the full fight

5/17/14 10:42 AM
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hubris - wow that was brutal

the funny thing about the interview/excuse at the end was that the rules in this match also took away a lot of the Muay Thai skills like clinch work, throws, and elbows

if those were allowed Roufus would have been hurt much worse

The point son, was that they wanted the match to be as close to a Gentleman's sport as possible. Just like Boxing. They are called gentleman's sports because they don't allow dirty fouls.

There's a difference between defeating an enemy with technique, and another with dirty tactics (even if they are legal).

The shit bubbling out of this guy's mouth.
5/17/14 11:40 AM
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LawrenceKenshin -

Wow, I'm touched by the incredible support. It's truly an honor to be showcased on the UG, the community I consider the most diverse and integral in MMA. I hope that you guys will like my future breakdowns as well. 

I'd like to reiterate a few things: there's a small audience that's not happy with what Duke said. He was quite young (18) and had just watched someone he admired very much lose in a brutal fashion.

I included his speech to demonstrate what's critical to become an elite fighter / coach: open-mindedness, adaptibility, and willingness to admit an error. It's not a coincidence that elite coaches are open to constructive discussion and criticism -- they will often welcome it to improve. 

That's exactly what Duke did after the spontaneous speech, and I think his willingness to learn (which includes but isn't limited to authentic Muay Thai) after this match was fundamental to future development. His fights and accomplished team should speak for itself. He also became one of the few instructors in the world that has a comprehensive understanding of all combat sports. The cerebral approach to fights, willingness to learn, transition from the traditional arts to full contact made him my favorite striking coach. Any fighter would be lucky to be coached by him today. 

 

Voted up bro. Awesome video. Will definitely check out your other breakdowns. Phone Post 3.0

Hope you liked them dude! Not all of them are as polished as this one, wanted to make the first breakdown on the UG more special =).

5/17/14 11:42 AM
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Pornstar - Wow.... great video, and I loved the interview at the end....
This goes to show, after Duke went to seminars, he became a "leg kicker"... And having been around him a few times in the gym. Duke is by far one of the greatest stand up coaches I have ever known. and he has a beautifully brutal leg kick...
Never had the chance to met Rick, but Duke is a walking encyclopedia of technique, and you cant help to respect when he talks... even when he isn't talking about fighting... (that's another story from a late night out)

I think Duke will be known as one of the greatest coaches ever! 

5/17/14 1:24 PM
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5/17/14 1:37 PM
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just wondering, is Japanese KB reduced to just a ruleset now (K1, Glory)? or are there still gyms that still teach it as their main style?
5/17/14 2:49 PM
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Otsuka - just wondering, is Japanese KB reduced to just a ruleset now (K1, Glory)? or are there still gyms that still teach it as their main style?

I'd say that most gyms who have competitors in KB rulesets also know their Muay Thai. The difference is how they drill their techniques (and choice of techniques) as well as strategy to compete under certain rules.

As for "Japanese KB," wiki probably answers it better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickboxing#Japan

5/17/14 2:50 PM
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I Support BBC in Pink Shorts - What year was that in?

1988

5/17/14 3:33 PM
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Fantastic post.  VU.

Amazing that bout had such a tremendous impact on combat striking sports.

The best fighters and coaches from then on having learned to incorporate all aspects of striking.

5/17/14 4:09 PM
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Fantastic post.  VU.

Amazing that bout had such a tremendous impact on combat striking sports.

The best fighters and coaches from then on having learned to incorporate all aspects of striking.

 

Thanks man. Indeed, the history is rich -- Rob Kaman fought Mike Winklejohn. =) Changpuek beat Rob Kaman 3x! Duke Roufus coached against Rick Roufus in the first Anthony Pettis vs. Benson Henderson match for the WEC belt. Duke ended up commentating Raymond Daniels vs. Joseph Valtellini in Glory -- a similar matchup to Changpuek vs. Rick. Duke retired with a low-kick finish. It blew my mind. Still does. 

 

5/17/14 4:48 PM
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That was very educational. Great post. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/14 5:22 PM
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Cool thread is cool Phone Post 3.0
5/17/14 6:04 PM
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Awesome Phone Post 3.0
5/17/14 6:27 PM
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Thanks for posting that video, that was very educational to go back and see. Phone Post 3.0
5/17/14 6:36 PM
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MaxSouth - Many Thai fighters of that time would not have survived those first few rounds. That guy was a warrior. Duke was right about one thing, and that was that Kietsongrit didn't have too much else for him besides the leg kicks.

Disagree with both points to be honest and If clinch knees were allowed then Roufas probably wouldn't have made it out the first either.....

Both great fighters though
5/17/14 6:57 PM
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Golden Era of KB Sugar Foot Cunningham,Benny the Jet,Roufas Bros, fought Thai fighters. Their were not to many Americans stepping into low kicks comp!True Pioneers!
5/18/14 4:38 AM
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Great early stuff.
5/18/14 4:57 AM
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Very cool video.
5/18/14 7:54 AM
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I trained PKA or American style for over 10 years. I remember thinking leg kicks were useless. When I moved to toronto the only kickboxing gym close by was Siam #1.

My boxing was really good so I was asked to do some light sparring with one of the guys there. First clean leg kick I took changed my mind. I remember after the first round saying "I'd rather have you kick me in the face than in the leg again." Phone Post 3.0

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