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6/11/14 9:13 PM
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prof - 9/11 seems to act like an "intelligence test," to help us weed out the imbeciles. 9/11 "truthers" are like the red markered "fail" marks on humanity's report card for rationality.

But...carry on...cool story bro.

 

I agree.  Anyone who believes the govt's "official" version of events and takes it at face value is most definitely an imbecile.

As for the whole "truther" thing, not sure why you'd call anyone who believes the govt isn't telling us the truth an imbecile.  As I pointed out, it's the exact opposite.  Anyone who thinks the govt's official version is the absolute truth is a blithering moron.

 

Lots of people think the government is full of shit 95% of the time. But we don't focus on 9-11 and look to prove lunatic theories since there is so much other shit in front of your face. Phone Post 3.0

The "theory" that the govt is lying to us about 911 is hardly lunacy.   And to many people who don't have their head buried in the sand, the govt's lies about 911 ARE right in front of their faces.  It's in front of everyone's face.  Some people are just too imbecilic to see it. 

6/11/14 9:18 PM
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Our government would NEVER do something like this to its own people. Period. Have plans to kill our own people?!?!? NEVER. Spy on its own people?!?!? NEVER. Pass laws to take away a citizens citizenship?!?!? NEVER. Take us into an illegal war?!?!? NEVER

There is simply no conspiracy here. At all.

Our government loves us and has our best interest at heart. Always.
6/11/14 10:06 PM
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Who here has a two story house?

Imagine what the weight of ten or fifteen floors of a skyscraper falling onto your roof would do to both of your floors.

Extrapolate. Phone Post 3.0
6/11/14 10:12 PM
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"Lots of people think the government is full of shit 95% of the time. But we don't focus on 9-11 and look to prove lunatic theories since there is so much other shit in front of your face."


Government officials lie to the American people on a daily basis about a whole bunch of things. Why would anyone believe that they are telling the truth about what happened on 9/11?
6/11/14 10:18 PM
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"The 'theory' that the govt is lying to us about 911 is hardly lunacy. And to many people who don't have their head buried in the sand, the govt's lies about 911 ARE right in front of their faces. It's in front of everyone's face. Some people are just too imbecilic to see it."


A lot of people are invested in the government control system, either emotionally or financially, or both. So these people have a vested interest of some type in going along with the official government story.


Some are afraid to acknowledge what should be a clearly apparent truth, and that is that the official government story about 9/11 is a lie. If the government is lying about 9/11, which a lot of know that they are, then this means that people have to make a decision to do something about it. A lot of people do not have the courage to do anything about it, so it is easier for them to go on believing the government's lies, because then they do not have to do anything.


Some people are too busy with whatever it is they do in their lives to bother to look into 9/11 any deeper than what the government told them about what happened that day on TV.


And some people are just plain stupid, and because they are stupid, they believe whatever the government tells them to believe.
6/11/14 10:25 PM
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The government lies about shit. Always has. Doesn't make any of this wonky shit true. Phone Post 3.0
6/11/14 10:59 PM
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"The government lies about shit. Always has. Doesn't make any of this wonky shit true."


It does not make the official government story about 9/11 true either.
6/11/14 11:43 PM
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So the government employee is a moron. Please explain how that proves that the government blew up the buildings. Phone Post 3.0
6/11/14 11:55 PM
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"So the government employee is a moron. Please explain how that proves that the government blew up the buildings."


Please explain how the official government story is true. Why is it that the government's conspiracy theory is accepted as gospel by a lot of people, when pretty much everyone knows that politicians frequently lie?
6/12/14 12:03 AM
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6/12/14 12:40 AM
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6/12/14 2:10 AM
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NeckCranks - A lot of 9/11 conspiracy theories are pure insanity.

The collapse of the buildings (especially 7) and the immediate confiscation and non-release of nearby surveillance footage of the pentagon are two things that are, at the very least, perplexing.
Nothing perplexing at all about either the main towers or wtc 7's collapse. Phone Post 3.0

Maybe, maybe not. There is something very perplexing as to how people on a terrorist watch list by by government and military agencies were able to take flying lessons and then get on flights together.

eh, given the levels of absolute failure our govt hits on a daily basis i'm not surprised by it one bit. when it takes 18 months for my dad to get his VA benefits after retirement (paperwork lost multiple times, doctors appointments that were 3-4 hours behind, etc) i'm not shocked that a bunch of muslims flew under the radar (no pun intended).


The thing is they didn't fly under the radar. FBI agents from three different field offices and a LT. Col. from DIA said they were taken off these targets from up above despite freaking out over it because they were aware of something going on. That moves it from at a bare minimal to criminal neglect from gross incompetence. With an actual crime in place, there would be an investigation. I am going to bet if that was done it would lead to more. Nobody was held accountable for this.

do you think the FBI/CIA/NSA were operating under different policies/procedures than they are now? remember, we saw an attack on the USS Cole, WTC bombing in 93, khubar towers as well as the us embassies in kenya and tanzania all prior to 9/11


No I don't. Not when it comes to cells of foreign terrorists taking flying lessons. Why are you making excuses for this instead of looking at it with anger that it happened? You can find all of what I said easily from non-conspiracy sources.

who says i haven't? and who says i'm not?

the idea that our country operates in some kind of vacuum where orders never get ignored and everything is treated with the utmost importance is lunacy. i've got too many friends in the military (and now DOD/CIA/NSA) telling me horror stories of complete incompetence to think even for a second that there was some single unifying plan to allow an attack on the united states. the number of working parts involved in a plan of that scale and the fact that we're dealing with govt employees tells me that its damn near impossible to pull off. occams razor and all that.


Why would there "have to be too many people involved" when we don't even know what really happened? This projection takes into consideration a working theory of controlled demos and all of that. I am not talking about any of this.
6/12/14 2:34 AM
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I really hate when people say how many people would need to be involved on this subject because it means someone is trying to argue a point I am not even talking about. Most people on 9/11 have made up their minds so they defend their position without even realizing they are doing so in a manner in which has nothing to do with what I am talking about. It shows people are not paying attention and already have come to a conclusion.

My working "theory" are the events were enabled. Call it LIHOP. With this that means the events played out in a somewhat similar manner that has been reported, at least in a physical manner. Arabs hijacked planes, crashed them into buildings, buildings feel because of damage, etc.

I do think for the most part that is true or at least I can't make an intelligent argument about those physical events. I am not an "expert" in any field that would relate to that stuff.

I stick to what I know and that is more damaging then the tired arguments people make on this subject. People would rather hear themselves talk their position than actually think about it. It is sad that such an important event is treated like this, but it is.

To allow this to happen what would be needed is to the people you want to carry out the objection to be able to move about so they can carry it out. This happened despite the FBI and DIA being pulled away from specific targets. What I would like to know is who pulled them away and why? Names and specific reasons.

What else would need to happen is a window in our defense to be down in order for such an attack to be carried out. This happened with various war games that day. It is true that exercises happen all the time. Is it a mere coincidence that specific ones happened at the exact time of the attacks to create that window of opportunity? Maybe. Maybe not. Who are the people that made the plans for these exercises? Who made it so the NRO had their fucking building evacuated that morning, an agency that would have been able to stop the 3rd plan by easily locating it among the chaos? What are their names?

Now take those names and the stories and look for specific points. Are the names the same? Do they have ties to each other? Do they have ties to military contractors? Do they have ties to the intelligence community? If you start seeing connections than you have an actual investigation.

The bullshit sham of the 9/11 commission report did NONE of this on either subject. Why?

Why are more people not outraged on issues like this instead of hyperbole? Do you really care about what happened to our country or do you care more about defending your predetermined position on the subject?

I truly am ashamed at how little respect people give the subject.....
6/12/14 3:00 AM
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It would not have taken that many people to carry out the 9/11 attack. Just a few key people in a few key places. Some of the people involved in carrying out the attack were likely compartmentalized, as in they knew what their role was, but did not know the rest of the plan.


6/12/14 3:04 AM
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Dey dook errr derbs!!! Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 4:39 AM
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theshooter - It would not have taken that many people to carry out the 9/11 attack. Just a few key people in a few key places. Some of the people involved in carrying out the attack were likely compartmentalized, as in they knew what their role was, but did not know the rest of the plan.


That's a lot how I thought about it also. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 5:41 AM
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6/12/14 5:55 AM
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The level of retardation in this thread is worryingly high. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 6:44 AM
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Bispingpongbuttlicker - The level of retardation in this thread is worryingly high. Phone Post 3.0

Agreed.  It's still mindboggling to me how people can be so retarded as to accept the govt's official story when it is so full of holes.  

6/12/14 9:44 AM
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NeckCranks - A lot of 9/11 conspiracy theories are pure insanity.

The collapse of the buildings (especially 7) and the immediate confiscation and non-release of nearby surveillance footage of the pentagon are two things that are, at the very least, perplexing.
Nothing perplexing at all about either the main towers or wtc 7's collapse. Phone Post 3.0

The idea that jet planes could crash into two sound buildings and that fire could cause an entire structure to not only collapse, but to collapse perfectly into its footprint is extremely perplexing.

Not to mention, building 7 collapsed exclusively from fire (allegedly).

Those things are eyebrow raising. I'm not saying I buy any of the truther, inside job, illuminati nonsense, but the collapses are unsettling.

If you completely buy the story of the 9/11 commission, I don't know what to say to you. The public will only know whatever version of the truth the government wants us to know.
You seem to be operating with typical layman logic with regards to the collapses.

First of all, fire didn't bring the main towers down so much as the heat generated by the fire. That is, the structure didn't collapse due to its own combustion. It collapsed from being weakened by the prolonged heat. As Mr. Wright pointed out, the structure was markedly different than other skyscrapers.

Secondly, it's a little bit disingenuous to say that it 'fell into its own footprint'. It did massive damage to the surrounding areas (including WTC 7 which suffered major damage up to the 18th floor on one side). But I know when you say 'fell into its own footprint' you really mean 'fell straight down'. The problem with this reasoning is that pretty much all buildings of that size will fall straight down more or less when their structure fails due to their size and weight. Did you expect it to topple over at the failure point like a tree?

There really isn't any compelling info contradicting the theory of the physical collapse. Well, other than the nano-thermite or underground nuke theories, which are so compellingly stupid.

Cotton's ideas of what led to 9/11 are much more deserving of inquiry (even if he's probably wrong) than all the internet generated myths kicked around about the collapses. Phone Post 3.0
Prepare to be completely ignored. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 10:28 AM
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theshooter - "So the government employee is a moron. Please explain how that proves that the government blew up the buildings."


Please explain how the official government story is true. Why is it that the government's conspiracy theory is accepted as gospel by a lot of people, when pretty much everyone knows that politicians frequently lie?
Well, I saw two planes fly into the buildings. Did you see the government plant explosives? Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 10:28 AM
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Bispingpongbuttlicker - The level of retardation in this thread is worryingly high. Phone Post 3.0

Agreed.  It's still mindboggling to me how people can be so retarded as to accept the govt's official story when it is so full of holes.  


Lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of proof.

Yes the "official" story has holes. Did you or others ever think that maybe those holes are there intentionally for "national security" reasons or maybe, just maybe the "official story" is based upon the best available evidence and the evidence itself has holes. Not every single occurrence can be explained 100%.

So ask yourself which is the more believable story:

1. That 19 (20) individuals who were part of a well funded/connected global terrorist network hijacked planes and flew them into several buildings

or

2. That a small cabal of evil men/women in our own government utilizing hundreds if not thousands of individuals to assist in perpetrating the attacks to further a neo-con agenda.
6/12/14 10:28 AM
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Cotton,

So you are suggesting that one or more high ranking official sin the United States government colluded with Al Quaeda to allow for the attacks on 9/11 to occur? To you it is obvious that this was likely the case and not one of the thousands of law enforcement and intelligence people involved considered or investigated this matter.

"What else would need to happen is a window in our defense to be down in order for such an attack to be carried out."

Why is that? The holes in our defense on 9/11 were that blades could easily be carried onto plane and that cockpits are opened during a hostage situation. I don't think we have a realistic defense against a plane travelling hundreds of miles an hour under radar.

So what exactly are you suggesting someone did that day that allowed the planes to hit the twin towers and pentagon? Disabled metal detectors at airports, unlocked cockpit doors, disabled the invisible missile defense shield protecting government buildings?
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6/12/14 10:40 AM
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On a serious note: I respect what Cotton has to say. There needs to be a screen name tag, something like Controlled Demo Top Team, so we know who we're dealing with and can spot the smart people like Cotton. Mods, get on it. Phone Post 3.0

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