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6/12/14 2:59 PM
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Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 

6/12/14 3:08 PM
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Who says it has to be massive?

Do you know how many people it takes to demo a building using explosives? Do you know how many people it would take to load and transport said explosives?

Are you saying the govt is inept at keeping secrets?
Snowden proved that in this age it is pretty difficult, although possible. Sheer probability. The more people who know about something the more likely it is to come out.

You don't think the govt has any secrets we don't know about?

Of course they do, but they all come out sooner or later. CIA torture? CIA's role in various coups? The stuff that is still secret is buried in paper not electronic records.

That said, do you think every single conspiracy the govt has carried out has been exposed? We only know about a few of them. Do you think we know about every conspiracy or shenanigan the govt has pulled on us


I think the true number of "conspiracies" perpetrated by our government is far fewer than you believe and probably greater than what I believe.

Shall I go on?

Once again it is not I drinking the Kool Aid, it is you being irrational and paranoid simply because you don't like the "official" story and it doesn't answer every question.
6/12/14 3:53 PM
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JonnyW - 
Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 


Maybe missed the sarcasm?
6/12/14 4:01 PM
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JonnyW - 
Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 


Maybe missed the sarcasm?

Definately did my friend

6/12/14 5:18 PM
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truewrestler - There is a famous quote... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". I would like to propose a new one for the internet "Any sufficiently retarded person is indistinguishable from a troll".

Yeah, I'll go ahead and give you a VTFU for that one.
6/12/14 5:21 PM
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JonnyW - 
Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 


Yep and that explains why it fell exactly like the two towers which got rammed by two jetliners lol.

You can't be this naive.
6/12/14 5:39 PM
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JonnyW - 
Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 


Yep and that explains why it fell exactly like the two towers which got rammed by two jetliners lol.

You can't be this naive.

So what you are saying is that all the buildings were hit by an outside source, then had fires buring out of control that weakened the internal structures, but they couldn't fall the same way? Got it, everything makes perfect sense to me now.

6/13/14 2:13 AM
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It is hilarious how most people don't even try to engage me on this subject. I guess I am not bombastic enough. Only if you blame Jews or claim it was space beams does one side want to engage because it is easy to pick out morons who say things like that. When confronted with real info, not so much.
6/13/14 4:09 AM
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Cotton - It is hilarious how most people don't even try to engage me on this subject. I guess I am not bombastic enough. Only if you blame Jews or claim it was space beams does one side want to engage because it is easy to pick out morons who say things like that. When confronted with real info, not so much.

I'm old enough to remember when saying that you didn't believe the warren commission got you labeled as a conspiracy nutbag.
6/13/14 5:20 AM
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6/13/14 5:53 AM
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The dust samples were collected and brought in for testing months later...they weren't just collected immediately and tested. There was a guy on the joe rogan show that talked about it pretty indepthly. Chain Of custody, an the length of time were what always made this conspiracy not believeable to me. There are just two many unknowns that could hve happens in that length of time. Phone Post 3.0
6/13/14 8:50 AM
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Cotton - It is hilarious how most people don't even try to engage me on this subject. I guess I am not bombastic enough. Only if you blame Jews or claim it was space beams does one side want to engage because it is easy to pick out morons who say things like that. When confronted with real info, not so much.

Are you suggesting that someone in the US Government helped the terrorists get knives on the planes, open the cockpit door or keep the planes from being detected?
6/13/14 9:26 AM
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Cotton - It is hilarious how most people don't even try to engage me on this subject. I guess I am not bombastic enough. Only if you blame Jews or claim it was space beams does one side want to engage because it is easy to pick out morons who say things like that. When confronted with real info, not so much.

Are you suggesting that someone in the US Government helped the terrorists get knives on the planes, open the cockpit door or keep the planes from being detected?

I don't know about any of that but I do know that someone in the US govt told agents who were keeping tabs on and investigating the terrorists before the attack to back off and leave the terrorists alone.  

You don't find that the least bit suspicious?

6/13/14 9:29 AM
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Rantuckjr - I have a question about building 7.

So the US planned or allowed this attack. And they set off explosions causing the buildings to collapse, including clearly building 7, because it was impossible for it to fall otherwise.

How did that part of the conspiracy go?


"Hey Bob, we've got all the explosives set for the 2 WTC towers but we've got a bit of leftover. What should i do with it?"

"Line up Tower 7 and we'll drop that one too"

"But Bob, won't that be a dead give away? With no "plane" hitting that building and nothing but a little fire falling from the other buildings, if that one collapses it's going to make it look like it was a controlled explosion"

"Fuck it, Americans are idiots. They'll never catch on to that"

Well first you need to get your facts right. Building 7 had a portion of it sheared off by falling debris. Add on to that an uncontrolled fire and you can get your answer. 


Yep and that explains why it fell exactly like the two towers which got rammed by two jetliners lol.

You can't be this naive.

So what you are saying is that all the buildings were hit by an outside source, then had fires buring out of control that weakened the internal structures, but they couldn't fall the same way? Got it, everything makes perfect sense to me now.


So, you're just dense? Got it.

Two of the buildings got ran into by a fucking AIRLINER full of fuel...they go down EXACTLY in the same manner....building 7 which DID NOT get rammed by a plane full of fuel goes down in EXACTLY the same manner and you honestly see nothing questionable about this?

Good God man, there's no helping you lol.
6/13/14 9:30 AM
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Fucking humor me; Please show me other buildings like 7 falling like so due to office fires.

If you can't tell from the videos that the thing was brought down in a CONTROLLED manner, then you are 100% delusional or lying.
6/13/14 9:38 AM
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"You don't find that the least bit suspicious?"

I don't find it suspicious. Usually mistakes and/or incompetence are my immediate assumption. I don't just assume a conspiracy when the government fails at something.

Just to be clear... Is your belief is that the terrorists did not need assistance in their attack, but that government intelligence officials gained specific knowledge of the attacks ahead of time then intentionally looked the other way in order to allow the attacks to occur?
6/13/14 9:38 AM
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rrg1 - Fucking humor me; Please show me other buildings like 7 falling like so due to office fires.

If you can't tell from the videos that the thing was brought down in a CONTROLLED manner, then you are 100% delusional or lying.

Wasn't just an office fire. A large portion of it was sheaered off after being hit by a falling fucking skyscraper! To say it was just an office fire shows that you are the one who is delusional.

6/13/14 9:41 AM
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rrg1, how many people do you think were involved in the conspiracy? Multiple government agencies? Dozens of explosives experts, hundreds of investigators and forensics personnel?

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc-082108.cfm
6/13/14 10:45 AM
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Office fires. This is how we can spot them. Best indication of a YouTube educated parrot. That term must have been in some video somewhere and now it's spread like an std. Phone Post 3.0
6/13/14 11:00 AM
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I wish the Government would come clean about Area 51 and the fake moon landing. I want to see the pictures of the alien creatures they have locked up. Phone Post 3.0
6/13/14 11:06 AM
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My take away from the NIST report on WTC 7 is...

- fires were started by debris that impacted WTC 7 from collapse of the twin towers

- buildings were not built at the time to withstand hours of uncontrolled fires of this type

- water main was cut to the building by the twin towers collapsing preventing sprinklers from working which would have likely prevented the collapse

- the supporting structure of the building began to expand due to the heat and eventually led to the release of a higher floor and domino effect of vertical collapse

- an explosion to take down a building is loud even at a great distance but no sufficiently loud sounds were heard preceding the collapse by eye witnesses or recordings made that day

This was also likely one of the biggest investigations by NIST in a long time with likely hundreds of people involved. I find it very unlikely that they would not have turned up something in their investigation nor do I believe there was a conspiracy to cover up evidence of bombs planted at the buildings.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm
6/13/14 1:27 PM
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Cotton - It is hilarious how most people don't even try to engage me on this subject. I guess I am not bombastic enough. Only if you blame Jews or claim it was space beams does one side want to engage because it is easy to pick out morons who say things like that. When confronted with real info, not so much.

Are you suggesting that someone in the US Government helped the terrorists get knives on the planes, open the cockpit door or keep the planes from being detected?

Didn't you ask me this same question two days ago? The answer was no then and still no now.
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truewrestler - "Someone enabled them to carry it out..... created the climate"

What does that even mean? Did they help the terrorists get knives on the planes, open the cockpit door or keep the planes from being detected?

Someone got intelligence to look the other way to not watch them and had exercises at the exact time that put down our defense shield. That is creating the climate. No clue on the stuff about boxcutters or anything like that. My guess that came from their own training and preparation.

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How fucking lazy is it to ask the same question again after getting an answer? Are you even paying attention?
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I misread a previous comment.

So in the end it sounds like you don't believe the government had any involvement in the attacks themselves or aftermath, but rather that they had specific knowledge of the attacks and didn't do anything to prevent them?

Can you point me towards some information you recommend on this topic?

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