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for their fight and both made it into the cage.  Lawler looked awesome.

I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. 

 

6/12/14 10:23 AM
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"I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.
6/12/14 10:24 AM
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ShowtimeKnee - Look at Jakes physique at the 173 weigh ins and look at his previous weigh ins.

do you have any comparisons?

6/12/14 10:34 AM
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

Agreed. I don't like this scenario

1. Fighter A pops hot. Fighter B passes.
2. Fighter A and Fighter B still fight.
3. Fighter A wins, sends Fighter B to the hospital.
4. ????????
5. ZUFFA PROFIT
6/12/14 10:37 AM
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"I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight."

How the hell does that make sense? So Zuffa can still profit from the cheating? What about if the guy playing by the rules gets his skull cracked in from the guy juiced to the gills and even though they know he's a juice monkey they still allowed him to go out and potentially ruin someone else's career. Is that fair in your world? Where is the logic, MMALOGIC? Phone Post 3.0
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for their fight and both made it into the cage.  Lawler looked awesome.

I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. 

 

That's the dimmest thing I have heard someone say about failed results. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 10:46 AM
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ShowtimeKnee - Look at Jakes physique at the 173 weigh ins and look at his previous weigh ins.

do you have any comparisons?


http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/710375/gyi0064516827_medium.jpghttp://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4502249/Robbie-Jake.jpg

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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

Agreed. I don't like this scenario

1. Fighter A pops hot. Fighter B passes.
2. Fighter A and Fighter B still fight.
3. Fighter A wins, sends Fighter B to the hospital.
4. ????????
5. ZUFFA PROFIT
I agree.

But, what about clean fighter B who needs to pay bills and now lacks a fight?

If they let the fight go on, regardless of the result, and fighter B gets both purses... That benefits the clean fighter putting food on the table and Zuffa.

Just playing devils advocate... Phone Post 3.0
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

Agreed. I don't like this scenario

1. Fighter A pops hot. Fighter B passes.
2. Fighter A and Fighter B still fight.
3. Fighter A wins, sends Fighter B to the hospital.
4. ????????
5. ZUFFA PROFIT
I agree.

But, what about clean fighter B who needs to pay bills and now lacks a fight?

If they let the fight go on, regardless of the result, and fighter B gets both purses... That benefits the clean fighter putting food on the table and Zuffa.

Just playing devils advocate... Phone Post 3.0
If a fighter really needs money maybe they shouldn't cheat and put getting paid at all in jeopardy? Phone Post 3.0
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Shit I read that wrong carry on Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 10:57 AM
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ShowtimeKnee - Look at Jakes physique at the 173 weigh ins and look at his previous weigh ins.

do you have any comparisons?


http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/710375/gyi0064516827_medium.jpghttp://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4502249/Robbie-Jake.jpg


You do realise the UFC 129 fight was on like 1 week notice right?

And it's 3 years ago and he is standing different. Looks identical lol

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for their fight and both made it into the cage.  Lawler looked awesome.

I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. 

 



Where TF is the source and what were the dates of the tests?
6/12/14 11:05 AM
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Weigh in pics am stupid, show in cage photos if anything. Phone Post
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught

Why would there have to be any sort of compromise? 

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ShowtimeKnee - Look at Jakes physique at the 173 weigh ins and look at his previous weigh ins.
I have studied it closely and have noticed certain chiseled features that once were there are sadly no longer. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 11:22 AM
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught

Why would there have to be any sort of compromise? 


because we live in the real world...the ACs cant fund randomized testing...its on the ufc..the ufc is a for-profit org...they arent going to do something that economically hurts their business....right now the clamor about PEDs hasnt quite outweighed losing big fights yet
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Test was 4 weeks out.

Is 6 weeks out is much better?

4 weeks was ideal?
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught

Why would there have to be any sort of compromise? 


because we live in the real world...the ACs cant fund randomized testing...its on the ufc..the ufc is a for-profit org...they arent going to do something that economically hurts their business....right now the clamor about PEDs hasnt quite outweighed losing big fights yet

Or, you know, the athletes could stop cheating. Plus they'll just add 5$ to fightpass to cover it. 

6/12/14 11:42 AM
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.
Agreed, makes no sense at all when considering fighter safety.

Something lacking here from op's name. Phone Post 3.0
6/12/14 11:44 AM
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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught

Why would there have to be any sort of compromise? 


because we live in the real world...the ACs cant fund randomized testing...its on the ufc..the ufc is a for-profit org...they arent going to do something that economically hurts their business....right now the clamor about PEDs hasnt quite outweighed losing big fights yet

Children dont understand the real world... they want the govt to do everything for them.  They want obama to give them free cell phones and shit.

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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

not ideal but not totally ridiculous...probably one of the biggest reasons the ufc doesnt want more testing is because they lose fights...if this is the only compromise that can be reached , its better than nothing..it still will deter use and thats what randomized testing is...you dont catch everyone, its about the threat of getting caught

Why would there have to be any sort of compromise? 


because we live in the real world...the ACs cant fund randomized testing...its on the ufc..the ufc is a for-profit org...they arent going to do something that economically hurts their business....right now the clamor about PEDs hasnt quite outweighed losing big fights yet

Children dont understand the real world... they want the govt to do everything for them.  They want obama to give them free cell phones and shit.


So you are against these random tests because the nsac is ordering them and the UFC Is footing the bill? 

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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

Agreed. I don't like this scenario

1. Fighter A pops hot. Fighter B passes.
2. Fighter A and Fighter B still fight.
3. Fighter A wins, sends Fighter B to the hospital.
4. ????????
5. ZUFFA PROFIT

 

but that's what's happening right now....  with randomized tests you atleast increase the deterrent. if a guy gets busted he's out for a year plus fines.  At least with this if a guy is clean and he lost to a ped user there's a better shot at catching him which should provide solace to the loser.... whereas now who knows if the guy who beat you is on ped's (and the clean guy at least gets paid for going through fight camp without his opponent falling out due to ped's)....

this is how you can make it work for the promoter and the fans and the fighters. 

The only reason Nevada is doing the limited randomized tests is because zuffa is paying for it.  if Zuffa stops paying for it, it's over.

YOu cant pay millions of dollars rolling this out if it could potentially kill your business.  There are 2 ways of doing this... the first is what I mentioned above... 

the second is doing it as a pilot program with no penalties for the first year or so. that gives everyone enough time to get their act together and then start penalizing.

I doubt the MGM is happy that chael vs wand or vitor has fallen out and i doubt the fans who already bought tickets are happy.

Randomized testing with the results coming out after the fight is the best way in my opinion.  And this isnt that much different than collecting hair samples for future tests... you just collect your samples randomly and then test the samples after the fight.

In combat sports this in my opinion is the most viable solution.  You cant risk a big money fight because somebody took an over the counter medication....

No other sport including the olympics would have to cancel an event due to ped use...  Only combat sports has that challenge.  You test the samples after the fight and release the results after the fight and you eliminate that risk.

 

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Or the top UFC fighters stop doing PEDs 

You are arguing for letting fighters on PEDs continue to fight so it doesn't cost the UFC big fights. Gotcha. Glad to know you value profit over fighter safety 

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orcus - "I say randomly test fighters but keep the results and any potential punishments until after they fight. "

Since the point of prohibiting the substances is for safety and fairness reasons, this is ridiculous.

Agreed. I don't like this scenario

1. Fighter A pops hot. Fighter B passes.
2. Fighter A and Fighter B still fight.
3. Fighter A wins, sends Fighter B to the hospital.
4. ????????
5. ZUFFA PROFIT

 

but that's what's happening right now....  with randomized tests you atleast increase the deterrent. if a guy gets busted he's out for a year plus fines.  At least with this if a guy is clean and he lost to a ped user there's a better shot at catching him which should provide solace to the loser.... whereas now who knows if the guy who beat you is on ped's (and the clean guy at least gets paid for going through fight camp without his opponent falling out due to ped's)....

this is how you can make it work for the promoter and the fans and the fighters. 

The only reason Nevada is doing the limited randomized tests is because zuffa is paying for it.  if Zuffa stops paying for it, it's over.

YOu cant pay millions of dollars rolling this out if it could potentially kill your business.  There are 2 ways of doing this... the first is what I mentioned above... 

the second is doing it as a pilot program with no penalties for the first year or so. that gives everyone enough time to get their act together and then start penalizing.

I doubt the MGM is happy that chael vs wand or vitor has fallen out and i doubt the fans who already bought tickets are happy.

Randomized testing with the results coming out after the fight is the best way in my opinion.  And this isnt that much different than collecting hair samples for future tests... you just collect your samples randomly and then test the samples after the fight.

In combat sports this in my opinion is the most viable solution.  You cant risk a big money fight because somebody took an over the counter medication....

No other sport including the olympics would have to cancel an event due to ped use...  Only combat sports has that challenge.  You test the samples after the fight and release the results after the fight and you eliminate that risk.

 


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