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Apparently an Israeli tank column got ambushed in a field of IEDs. 13 Dead, 40 wounded Israeli's. Shit is getting real. 

The IDF announced on Sunday evening that 13 Israeli soldiers from the Golani Brigade were killed since Saturday night in fighting in Gaza, bringing the total number of military fatalities in Operation Protective Edge to 18.

In one incident, in the early hours of Sunday morning, an APC carrying soldiers from Golani's 13th Battalion drove over an explosive device and caught fire, killing seven who were onboard.

Shortly afterward, soldiers from the battalion engaged terrorists in a gun battle, and one soldier was killed in the exchange of fire.

Hours later, two soldiers were killed in a firefight with a terrorist cell in Gaza.

Three members of the Golani Reconnaissance Brigade were killed when a fire tore through the building they were in, shortly before 9 a.m.

The military was still completing the process of identifying the fallen soldiers. The families had been notified of the soldiers' deaths.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Seven-Golani-soldiers-killed-in-Gaza-363528

7/20/14 2:04 PM
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Well, they wanted war and so they have it. Kiss your US tax dollars goodbye...
7/20/14 2:06 PM
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I don't think they wanted war. I think they wanted the rockets to stop.

Sad for deaths on both sides.
7/20/14 2:11 PM
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They have been preparing to take Gaza for years. Israel is colonizing Gaza. They have been expanding settlements on the West Bank for more than a decade.

Basically the strategy was this:

Slowly expand settlements over land claimed by the Palestinians while using the US to run interference. When the Palestinians get pissed off about that and begin an insurgency, call it terrorism and then retaliate.

This has been the cycle for decades. Israel is intent on conquering Gaza and colonizing the West Bank.

That is war people and what they wanted.
7/20/14 2:17 PM
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I agree on the settlements on the west bank. Those should stop. But Israel withdrew from Gaza and I doubt they want to colonize it.
7/20/14 2:19 PM
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asskicker09 - I agree on the settlements on the west bank. Those should stop. But Israel withdrew from Gaza and I doubt they want to colonize it.

"Israel's hawkish foreign minister said the military should reconquer the Gaza Strip hours after a truce proposal unravelled.

Avigdor Lieberman said that the final aim of Israel's Operation Protective Edge against Hamas should be to reoccupy Gaza and place it under military control.

"Israel must go all the way in Gaza," Lieberman told a press conference. "The operation should end with the IDF [Israel Defence Forces] in control of Gaza."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-palestinian-conflict-stop-asking-questions-conquer-gaza-says-israels-lieberman-1456792
7/20/14 2:21 PM
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Colonization is military control over a nation or nations for the purposes of labor exploitation and resource extraction.
7/20/14 2:23 PM
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thesleeper - They have been preparing to take Gaza for years. Israel is colonizing Gaza. They have been expanding settlements on the West Bank for more than a decade.

Basically the strategy was this:

Slowly expand settlements over land claimed by the Palestinians while using the US to run interference. When the Palestinians get pissed off about that and begin an insurgency, call it terrorism and then retaliate.

This has been the cycle for decades. Israel is intent on conquering Gaza and colonizing the West Bank.

That is war people and what they wanted.

slowest colonization ever of all time?
7/20/14 2:26 PM
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Interesting how the article calls the Israelis "soldiers" and the Palestinians "terrorists". Phone Post 3.0
7/20/14 2:27 PM
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I am sure Israel will even the score next week, then Hamas will kill some more in revenge for those killings, then Israel will kill some more Palestinian's after that to get there own back, in this never ending tit for tat war.
7/20/14 2:28 PM
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thesleeper - They have been preparing to take Gaza for years. Israel is colonizing Gaza. They have been expanding settlements on the West Bank for more than a decade.

Basically the strategy was this:

Slowly expand settlements over land claimed by the Palestinians while using the US to run interference. When the Palestinians get pissed off about that and begin an insurgency, call it terrorism and then retaliate.

This has been the cycle for decades. Israel is intent on conquering Gaza and colonizing the West Bank.

That is war people and what they wanted.

slowest colonization ever of all time?

Well, not if you consider that all of the territory Israel occupies used to be Palestinian.
7/20/14 2:28 PM
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The only reason the Palestinians have Gaza is because the Israelis GAVE it to them.
7/20/14 2:31 PM
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thesleeper - They have been preparing to take Gaza for years. Israel is colonizing Gaza. They have been expanding settlements on the West Bank for more than a decade.

Basically the strategy was this:

Slowly expand settlements over land claimed by the Palestinians while using the US to run interference. When the Palestinians get pissed off about that and begin an insurgency, call it terrorism and then retaliate.

This has been the cycle for decades. Israel is intent on conquering Gaza and colonizing the West Bank.

That is war people and what they wanted.
If this is the truth, the Pal leadership behind the insurgency were retards for targeting civilians. Played into the hands. Phone Post 3.0
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Those are "heavy losses" in the Middle East? News to me
7/20/14 2:35 PM
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Chest Rockwell - Interesting how the article calls the Israelis "soldiers" and the Palestinians "terrorists". Phone Post 3.0
I caught this as well. I'm not pro Hamas or Israel but it disturbs me that fighters for their own historical territory are now called terrorists. Sets a precedent for our country I am not liking. Phone Post 3.0
7/20/14 2:37 PM
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phydeau - The only reason the Palestinians have Gaza is because the Israelis GAVE it to them.

The only reason Israel exists is that they invaded the Palestinian territory with an army and then forced the pre-existing population to live in small portions of that former territory.

Read Perceptions of Palestine by a former CIA agent who had access to classified archives.
7/20/14 2:40 PM
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phydeau - The only reason the Palestinians have Gaza is because the Israelis GAVE it to them.

The only reason Israel exists is that they invaded the Palestinian territory with an army and then forced the pre-existing population to live in small portions of that former territory.

Read Perceptions of Palestine by a former CIA agent who had access to classified archives.

Pretty sure Israel exists based on a UN proclamation. All surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel immediately in 1948.
7/20/14 2:41 PM
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And don't overlook all of the Palestinians that were displaced to Jordan.
7/20/14 2:42 PM
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7/20/14 2:43 PM
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phydeau - The only reason the Palestinians have Gaza is because the Israelis GAVE it to them.

The only reason Israel exists is that they invaded the Palestinian territory with an army and then forced the pre-existing population to live in small portions of that former territory.

Read Perceptions of Palestine by a former CIA agent who had access to classified archives.

Pretty sure Israel exists based on a UN proclamation. All surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel immediately in 1948.

I am pretty sure you need to do some History reading to opine on this subject.

The birth of Israel had nothing to do with the UN. That came after.
7/20/14 2:45 PM
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Chest Rockwell - Interesting how the article calls the Israelis "soldiers" and the Palestinians "terrorists". Phone Post 3.0
I caught this as well. I'm not pro Hamas or Israel but it disturbs me that fighters for their own historical territory are now called terrorists. Sets a precedent for our country I am not liking. Phone Post 3.0

They constantly launch rockets at civilians on purpose. How is that not terrorism?

Don't the Israeli soldiers wear standard uniforms and not hide behind civilians? Don't they fire warning shots at Hamas missile launching sites so Palestinian civilians can run away?
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TheSergeK - Shit is getting real.


Shit has been real for a while. According to the New York Times, total killed over the past two weeks:

Palestinians: 417 (about 300 of which were civilians)

Israelis: 18 (including the 13 soldiers today mentioned in OP's article)
7/20/14 2:49 PM
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TheSergeK - Shit is getting real.


Shit has been real for a while. According to the New York Times, total killed over the past two weeks:

Palestinians: 417 (about 300 of which were civilians)

Israelis: 18 (including the 13 soldiers today mentioned in OP's article)

Yes, heavy losses on the part of Israel. 300 civilians is something to scoff at. Netanyehu told them to shoot anything that moved.
7/20/14 2:50 PM
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Is this timeline incorrect? It appears the major hostilities began after the UN resolution.


Nov. 29, 1947
UN Partition Resolution (GA 181) - Palestine was to be divided into a Jewish State and an Arab State; Jerusalem was to be internationalized. The resolution is supported by both the US and USSR. Arab countries and Arab league refuse to recognize the resolution. Detailed Map: UN Palestine Partition Plan Map - 1947




Dec. 1-3, 1947 Arab riots in Jerusalem. Beginning of Arab blockade of Jerusalem. The period to May 15, 1948 was characterized by numerous skirmishes, road ambushes, riots, bombings and massacres, whether organized by one of the other sides or spontaneous
Dec. 3 Irgun burns Rex movie theater in Jerusalem; Arabs attack Jewish vehicle on its way to Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, 1 killed, 7 injuries.
Dec 4 Two Jews and 3 Arabs injured in attack on Jewish bus in Baqa, Jerusalem. (Levi, 1986, p 431)
Dec 12, 1947
Irgun bombing at Damascus gate kills 20, wounds 50 (Levi, 1986, p. 432) .
Dec. 15, 1947 Arabs cut water pipes to Jerusalem; damage repaired by British; Jerusalem prepares for siege.
Dec 29, 1947 Irgun bombing at Damascus gate kills 12 Arabs, 2 British killed, 43 wounded (Levi, 1986 p. 433) .
Dec 30, 1947 The Haifa refinery riots and massacre-Irgun threw bombs from a speeding car into a crowd of Arabs outside the Haifa oil refinery; six killed and forty-two wounded. Survivors surged into the refinery compound and, along with some of the Arab refinery workers, attacked the Jewish refinery workers. In the hour it took for the British soldiers and police to arrive, forty-one Jews had been killed and forty-nine wounded.
Dec. 31, 1947 Old City Jewish quarter under siege.
Dec. 31, 1947 Palmach revenge for Haifa refinery massacre at Balad as Sheikh.
January 1948 Arab Salvation Army (also called Arab Liberation Army - ALA) are admitted to Palestine by the British, supposedly following a promise not to attack Jewish settlements. Their leader, Fawzi Al-Kaukji may have entered Palestine only in March. Jewish Agency concludes arms deal with Czechoslovakia, but most arms do not arrive until June 1948, after the British have left. The UN, including the US, had placed an arms embargo on Palestine. This did not apply to Arab countries including Transjordan. As independent states, they were allowed to acquire arms. The Jordan Legion received a steady supply of arms from Britain through the Suez Canal, at least until May 1948, including a large number of 25 pounder cannon at the beginning of 1948. Hagana agents purchased 20 Auster light aircraft in Britain, sold for scrap, rebuilt them and brought them to Palestine for use of the Haganah. Haganah later rebuilt Spitfires left by the mandate for scrap as well, but did not have real fighter and bomber aircraft until May 1948 when Czech Messersccmidtts (or Avia imitations) and B-17s purchased clandestinely were brought into the country.
Jan 4-5 Haganah blows up Semiramis hotel in Katamon. 40 killed 45 injured. (Levi, 1986, p 434).
Jan 6 Convoy to Jerusalem attacked at Sarefend (Tzrifin) by Arab Legion (Levi, 1986, p 434).
Jan. 7, 1948 Jaffa Gate bombing - The Irgun rolled a bomb from an armored car into the Arab crowd at the Jaffa Gate stop of the No. 3 bus (Collins & Lapierre, 1973 pp. 416 ff.). killing 14. Irgun car crashed and three were killed trying to escape. A fourth was caught, but was later freed by comrades (Levi, 1986 p.. 435).
Arab fire from Sheikh Jarakh on Beit Yisrael in Jerusalem kills 4. Five Arabs killed in counter fire.

Jan 9, 1948 Arab Liberation army Yarmuk battalion crosses into Palestine, attacks Dan and Kfar Szold; attack repulsed with the help of the British.
Jan. 12 Deir Yassin (near Jerusalem) - Arab village fight off attempted infiltration by Arab irregulars - one villager killed.
Jan 14, 1948 Major attack of Arab irregulars on Gush Etzion beaten off; 100-150 Arab dead. Jewish defenders have 3 dead, 12 wounded (Levi, 1986, p. 436)
Jan 16, 1948 Convoy of 35 - Jewish convoy to Gush Etzion, near Jerusalem, ambushed, 35 underground members massacred.
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thesleeper - They have been preparing to take Gaza for years. Israel is colonizing Gaza. They have been expanding settlements on the West Bank for more than a decade.

Basically the strategy was this:

Slowly expand settlements over land claimed by the Palestinians while using the US to run interference. When the Palestinians get pissed off about that and begin an insurgency, call it terrorism and then retaliate.

This has been the cycle for decades. Israel is intent on conquering Gaza and colonizing the West Bank.

That is war people and what they wanted.
I dont know this but why is isreal hell bent on settling there? Is it nice land? Resources? Just to be greedy assholes?
You seem to know some shit, so thanks. Phone Post 3.0

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