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7/27/14 1:25 PM
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Mayhem13
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He's young in the sport still, he said himself last night that he is basically having to grow up in the octagon.

It wasn't the most exciting fight, but as he continues to learn and grow as a fighter the finishes will start coming.

He was probably signed to the big show a little too soon, but he's getting there Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 1:27 PM
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Cummins was disappointed with not finishing the fight. He's still learning. I think he can become a finisher. Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 1:30 PM
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Mike126 - was his first decision win Phone Post 3.0
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But but he didn't finish so it sucked! Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 1:42 PM
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Did a wrestler hold u down and rape u? Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 1:49 PM
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Reminded me of classic Tito, without the GNP. Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 1:50 PM
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I don't think Cummings was looking to lay & pray. He just lacks the tools to finish tough, veteran pros. All he's got at this point in his career is wrestling and ground & pound. Against lesser opponents, that is all he needs. But savvy veterans will find ways to mitigate his ground & pound, and Pat has nothing else to throw at them once they do that.

Hopefully, he continues to round out his skills and develops a few good submissions he can go to when he has a guy on the mat. If he gives them something else to think about, it will make his ground & pound even more effective.
7/27/14 3:07 PM
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OP is a kook. Cummins Dominated, and made kingsbu not want to fight again. Cummins is going to keep getting better, I'll continue to watch his fights Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:14 PM
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How that was looked at as laying on top is beyond me. Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:24 PM
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He'll either develop his striking and subs, or flounder against better competition.

His wrestiling is obviously outstanding.  It will be interesting to see what he learns and how quickly.

7/27/14 3:25 PM
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lol at op. "That was horrendous , someone going in with the only gameplay to lay on top of you and continually go for takedowns desperately." This was my favorite part^ Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:36 PM
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Op is a faggot Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:37 PM
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Did you guys like Colton smith to ? Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:43 PM
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That was not a boring fight, Cummins ragdolled Kingsbury on multiple occasions and beat him into the living death over the course of 3 rounds...I just don't understand how you could possibly think that was boring.
7/27/14 3:44 PM
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Gspthegoat - I'm sorry but man it makes me actually want to find something to do for 15 minutes and takes me out of the fight. That was horrendous , someone going in with the only gameplay to lay on top of you and continually go for takedowns desperately.

It was the same with Colton smith you knew he was just going to dive for takedowns and lay there with no intent on finishing. When I would see him on cards It just made me dread the fight.

Why even keep him? He's clearly not
Close to being the best and this is the UFC. Kingsbury was out of it and with any amount of continual punches on the ground it would of been over.

End rant but damn it really
Takes the excitement out of cards Phone Post 3.0
Fuckin idiot Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:45 PM
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I hate pure wrestlers/LnP'ers as much as anyone, but that was an impressive display. If he never evolves then I'm with you but I think you give him a little leeway because he IS so green. Besides that was a mauling, not one of those cases where a guy grabs a single, drags the guy down and does everything to keep top position. He raped Kingsbury! Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:45 PM
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I thought it was a really impressive wrestling display. Plus, standing and banging with kingsbu is a quick way to get KTFO Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 3:47 PM
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It was an incredible display. The fans will learn eventually, it's an education issue. Fans used to chant gay and homo any time there was any JJ on the ground in a fight. They don't anymore, because they've learned and now they appreciate JJ. You'll learn to respect and appreciate Pat's wrestling.
7/27/14 3:51 PM
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js138 - OP only likes stand and wang. Let him bang bro's. Phone Post 3.0
This. I thought it was entertaining. Some cool takedowns you don't see every day. Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 4:16 PM
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js138 - OP is Daniel Cormier Phone Post 3.0
Lol :) Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 4:32 PM
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GOKUJITSU - I dunno, I enjoyed watching his grappling. I'm not a huge fan of him, but god damn I thought that wrestling was fun to watch. Phone Post 3.0
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7/27/14 5:30 PM
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It showed skill. Better than two guys with the defense of 5th graders just throwing wildly. He was "desperately" going for takedowns the same as others "desperately" try to punch. There is no default that the fight should be on the feet.

7/27/14 5:34 PM
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That was probably the first 30-24 in UFC history! Phone Post 3.0
7/27/14 5:38 PM
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i thought it was one of the most one sided fights ever lol. i enjoyed watching pat, he was throwing hard shots and trying to finish kyle. it wasnt that bad of a fight
7/27/14 5:40 PM
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You are right, OP. The UFC should cut big stud wrestlers. They take away spots from women, guys who weigh 65 pounds, and shot fighters.
7/27/14 5:40 PM
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Why even make a thread like this?? I was very Impressed with Cummings as Kingsbury is no joke and he rag dolled him. It's only Cummings second UFC fight and the first one he stepped up on a few days notice to fight Cormier and did a great job of selling the fight when no one knew who the fuck he was so props to him.


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