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8/4/14 10:29 PM
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I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/1684286/IBJJF-Black-Belt-registration-scks/?pc=69

It won't mean most American's won't compete, it's just forcing guys to affiliate with a bigger school when they won't necessarily need to otherwise.


Well damn...

People have him convinced he's God. I could register and compete as a brown belt, but I'm not turning my back on my coaches and friends that backed my belt because some guy whose last name is Gracie thinks he can make stupid rules. Roli told me he didn't want me to take my black belt off, therefore I won't.


Funny, this sounds familiar.

It was our Holy Lord and Savior Carlinhos himself that barred me from competition.


Hmm...

8/4/14 10:39 PM
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Not even remotely similar. Hillary couldn't compete because she got her black belt faster than the IBJJF said she could, not because nobody will back her black belt.

As far as affiliating Hillary didn't pay someone to use their name or pay anything other than the normal black belt fee(at least as far as I'm aware), she just had someone who wasn't her instructor but was high enough rank verify that she was a black belt.

If you were serious about competing as a black belt and didn't just want to continue your ridiculous crusade you'd do the same thing she did and find a 2nd degree to help you register for black belt
8/4/14 10:43 PM
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That costs affiliation fees. That's the entire point. And my friend at third mysteriously lost his degrees when he registered with the IBJJF. Anyways, I do compete at black. Grapplers Quest is where its at. They have the cash and the players, no bullshit involved, so I'm in.
8/4/14 10:47 PM
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os3y3ris - That costs affiliation fees. That's the entire point. And my friend at third mysteriously lost his degrees when he registered with the IBJJF. Anyways, I do compete at black. Grapplers Quest is where its at. They have the cash and the players, no bullshit involved, so I'm in.

I mean, I'm sure Hillary payed the same 30 or 50 bucks or whatever it is to register her black belt just like everybody else, but I don't think she payed cyborg or anyone else to be an affiliate(especially since she never owned a school).

8/4/14 11:03 PM
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I do suspect she was done a favor. But it shouldn't require a favor. Herding people towards a $2,000 product that they don't need, which she says was being done, and was done to me, isn't right and I'm not going to validate that tactic at all by complying with any related directives. She switched teams for that. I'm not going to. I'm going to make it a pain in the ass for them. Think about it, you think affiliation sales are going UP right now? The affiliation scam is nearing its end.

Besides, BJJ isn't half as scary as kung fu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwEdMjA9VGA

After that mess, this is easy.
8/5/14 12:12 AM
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os3y3ris - That costs affiliation fees. That's the entire point. And my friend at third mysteriously lost his degrees when he registered with the IBJJF. Anyways, I do compete at black. Grapplers Quest is where its at. They have the cash and the players, no bullshit involved, so I'm in.

I mean, I'm sure Hillary payed the same 30 or 50 bucks or whatever it is to register her black belt just like everybody else, but I don't think she payed cyborg or anyone else to be an affiliate(especially since she never owned a school).


Hilary just happens to be friends with someone who was affiliated and was willing to vouch for her and not wanting to charge her for that vouch. Not everyone is as lucky. Remember that the black belt that vouches for you must be recognized by the IBJJF which means they not just paid their annual $30, but also paid for their "recognition" certificate which is the $400 that is frequently thrown around.
8/5/14 2:38 AM
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Pretty easy way to clear this up.
Do you have a signed certificate stating you are awarded the rank of black belt?
Do you have photos of you getting promoted to black belt and a 2nd degree tying it around your waist?
Will a 2nd degree sign off on your rank and vouch for you?
Have you got a grey name from Kirik?

If your answer is no to all of these questions then you are not a black belt, plain and simple. No ifs, no buts, just no.
8/5/14 3:20 AM
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carcaju - Pretty easy way to clear this up.
Do you have a signed certificate stating you are awarded the rank of black belt?
Do you have photos of you getting promoted to black belt and a 2nd degree tying it around your waist?
Will a 2nd degree sign off on your rank and vouch for you?
Have you got a grey name from Kirik?

If your answer is no to all of these questions then you are not a black belt, plain and simple. No ifs, no buts, just no.
You are very correct. The problem is this guy I'm starting to think really does have something wrong with him mentally. He has set up this delusional fantasy of justification as to why he is a black belt with not only him never getting promoted in the first place, but there is not one single person that would think what he is doing is justified. Nobody. At first I didn't understand him and I thought he was just a guy that got burned and made a big mistake, but there is no convincing him. It's like showing him a square, explaining the definition of a square, and yet he keeps on insisting it is a circle. You can't educate him because he is unable I see the reality that is covered by his delusion. It's like he's fucking frank dux or something where he actually believes his own crap. Phone Post 3.0
8/5/14 7:50 AM
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I've flicked through a few pages of this thread and think pretty much what Joejitsu said above is correct.

The issue is that he doesn't understand that the community will not accept someone who self promotes - no matter if other people say he is black belt standard - it must come from an accepted source...not yourself!

His analogy about a university degree and the dean blackmailing you still doesn't stand. Even if that were the case will any place in the world accept you if you give yourself a degree? No way! The situation definitely sucks but unfortunately you have to then go back and maybe get some credits at another university and then get that degree.

Similarly - he should have sucked it up and trained longer with another black belt until he is promoted by that black belt. Yes it sucks but it is the legitimate way to do things.

Unfortunately it appears he does not understand what everyone is getting at and does not believe he has done anything wrong. Give up guys - you can only beat your head against a wall for so long until it becomes a bloody pulp!
8/5/14 10:56 AM
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The amount of hours Osiris has spent defending himself on the forum, he could've got a job at McDonald's in that time, earned the $2k and paid to be an official BB. Or alternatively spend those hours training under a real BB and been promoted.
8/5/14 10:57 AM
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Thats what you're not getting. There are no other schools. Carlos is running EVERYTHING now.
8/5/14 10:58 AM
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The amount of hours Osiris has spent defending himself on the forum, he could've got a job at McDonald's in that time, earned the $2k and paid to be an official BB. Or alternatively spend those hours training under a real BB and been promoted.


I don't need the training. I'm not going to pay for services that I don't need.
8/5/14 11:09 AM
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Here goes Carlos AGAIN!

http://imgur.com/ngDiZKj

http://imgur.com/jowESBu

Funny how his name keeps coming up in these incidents.
8/5/14 11:21 AM
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Where is the proof that Carlos told you DIRECTLY, not word of mouth from Vinny, that you had to pay that?
8/5/14 11:25 AM
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Your pictures show nothing. He thought you meant Gracie Barra or a TEAM that was telling you it was $2K and for an affiliation fee, not the federation or Carlos JR. telling you it was $2k for a black belt lol
8/5/14 11:27 AM
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I never claimed that he did. He met with Vinny. How do I know Vinny was truthful?

1. He still works for Carlos after making those claims of his involvement.

2. Other sources, such as BJ Bradley, a black belt directly under Carlos, indicate him.

3. Mark Tripp, the second IBJJF student, also reports the same experience on behalf of the company that Carlos now heads.

4. Hillary Williams reports similar behavior.

5. When the first round of paperwork wasn't enough to strip me of my rank, more IBJJF forms were brought into play.

It's Carlos and the IBJJF forcing affiliation sales at two grand a piece.
8/5/14 11:28 AM
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Your pictures show nothing. He thought you meant Gracie Barra or a TEAM that was telling you it was $2K and for an affiliation fee, not the federation or Carlos JR. telling you it was $2k for a black belt lol


Who runs the teams? And who requires affiliations to hold black belts?
8/5/14 11:31 AM
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os3y3ris - 
Your pictures show nothing. He thought you meant Gracie Barra or a TEAM that was telling you it was $2K and for an affiliation fee, not the federation or Carlos JR. telling you it was $2k for a black belt lol


Who runs the teams? And who requires affiliations to hold black belts?

Depends on the teams.

BTT - Bustamante?
Checkmat - V bros
Zenith - Drysdale & Cavaca
Alliance - Jacare, Gigi, & Fabio
Gracie Barra - Carlos is head honcho

Should I keep going?
8/5/14 11:33 AM
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You would be incorrect. The member teams of the IBJJF are governed by the Federation. As president of the Federation, Carlos Gracie Jr is in charge.
8/5/14 11:34 AM
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Who requires that black and brown belts are affiliated with one of these franchises?
8/5/14 11:35 AM
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os3y3ris - I never claimed that he did. He met with Vinny. How do I know Vinny was truthful?

1. He still works for Carlos after making those claims of his involvement.

2. Other sources, such as BJ Bradley, a black belt directly under Carlos, indicate him.

3. Mark Tripp, the second IBJJF student, also reports the same experience on behalf of the company that Carlos now heads.

4. Hillary Williams reports similar behavior.

5. When the first round of paperwork wasn't enough to strip me of my rank, more IBJJF forms were brought into play.

It's Carlos and the IBJJF forcing affiliation sales at two grand a piece.

1. He doesn't work for carlos, he works for BTT
2. He was assuming you were talking about teams, it even says so in the pictures you posted.
3. Proof?
4. Hillary reported it was an Association fee and she was suspended due to time requirements.
5. You were never promoted lol

Everyone else has stated it was a $30 card fee, and $400 to register their academy.

Your $2k fee to get your black belt was from VINNY AND BTT for AFFILIATION FEES.
8/5/14 11:39 AM
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os3y3ris - You would be incorrect. The member teams of the IBJJF are governed by the Federation. As president of the Federation, Carlos Gracie Jr is in charge.

You asked who runs the teams. That would be the head honchos of each team.

Do they pay a fee to the IBJJF to be able to have their teams registered? Of course.

In turn, they charge AFFILIATE schools to use their name. You were buying a black belt from BTT for $2K and to affiliate your school with their name.

From Vinny...not Carlos Jr.
8/5/14 11:51 AM
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It works like this:

http://imgur.com/bhWK0LA

Pyramid scheme.

How lucrative is it?

http://ibjjf.org/registered/
8/5/14 11:51 AM
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Who mandates affiliation to hold rank? Answer the question.
8/5/14 11:52 AM
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3. Proof?


Ask him. Mark Tripp, Judoka.

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