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It already is. Call the man and ask him what exactly what happened.
8/7/14 3:23 PM
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You mean Vinny? CUO already did, and he said you were full of...yourself.
8/7/14 3:38 PM
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Ask him EXACTLY what happened. Not that nonsense where I just showed up in a black belt. Ask him what the messages sent were about. Ask him how Carlos was involved.

If you notice, he responded with lies. He called Keenan and found out I was never on TLI?

http://juliuspark.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/2009-team-lloyd-irvin-world-championships-roster/

I contacted Keenan. Keenan doesn't know a Vinny Souza. Contact him again and ask for the truth.
8/7/14 3:42 PM
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riiiiight....so this dirty liar with no skill told you that you were ready to be a black belt, and you know in your heart it had nothing to do with an eventual money-grab. So he lied about everything but your readiness for a black belt.

Based on your behavior, I'd venture that he lied about that, too.
8/7/14 3:46 PM
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I've proved my level. Multiple times. Criminal activity doesn't get to determine my career path.
8/7/14 3:54 PM
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You're exactly what people are talking about when they differentiate between a 'sport' black belt and a 'martial artist' black belt.

Congrats on your black belt in jiu-jistu, but you're still a white belt in humanity.
8/7/14 4:01 PM
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You're exactly what people are talking about when they differentiate between a 'sport' black belt and a 'martial artist' black belt.


Yeah, I'm a martial artist. You think you know who you're talking to, but you really don't. When the Tongs came through and wanted to take the industry back, no one called Buchecha.

Congrats on your black belt in jiu-jistu


Thank you.

but you're still a white belt in humanity.


What can I say, I'm a dirty thief.
8/7/14 4:15 PM
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Hey guys, someone told me they thought I was as good as a black belt, should I order my new belt from Ebay or Google Shops?
8/7/14 4:17 PM
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Did they offer it to you?
8/7/14 4:50 PM
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I got engaged last summer and in January my fiance "called off the wedding". But a deals a deal so you better believe I'm still wearing my engagement ring and I'll be at the church this weekend rocking my tux and ready to go.
8/7/14 4:53 PM
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dokomoy - I got engaged last summer and in January my fiance "called off the wedding". But a deals a deal so you better believe I'm still wearing my engagement ring and I'll be at the church this weekend rocking my tux and ready to go.
I got an E-Mail from Nigeria telling me Im going to be a millionaire. I just bought a Maserati and smashed my old tv. That E-mail says I'm rich so im going to roll like a playa. Phone Post 3.0
8/7/14 5:07 PM
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My question...

Is EVERYONE ever affiliated with lloyd Irvin completely out of their mind --or is it only like 50% of them who are nuts, but it just seems much higher?

Someone explain this to me; how are there SO many crazy people from one school? It's one after another after another.

 

 

 

 

8/7/14 5:11 PM
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Agreed Shen - on that note...

8/7/14 5:21 PM
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Jordan Tabor -
I would like to see this addressed as well


BTT signed off.

You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt.


If you can show me a single frame from that video where I'm in mount, I'll take off my black belt and wear that white belt.
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8/7/14 5:22 PM
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Jordan Tabor - Did they offer it to you?

Yes, but they're a dirty liar scumbag with no skills, and they lack the authority to promote anyone to black belt. Please advise.
8/7/14 5:49 PM
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Jordan Tabor - What are you talking about? I pulled, he passed, I countered, he tapped. Sounds about right. I made a mistake, he made a mistake, his was fatal, mine was not.
You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt. Then pulled off the one technique you are good at.... yep your are a BB... in your own mind. Phone Post 3.0

This is kind of silly, Jordan's done enough dumb shit that you don't need to criticize him for the stuff he hasn't done.

It was a garbage guard pull, but I don't think the way he tried to recover is that bad(trying to come up on a single is totally legit and the way his opponent countered it was pretty nice) and he never got mounted.

100%. When I hear people talk this way about someone's bad move in a match it's very likely coming form a source with limited experience in competition. Everything doesn't turn out the way you plan in a competition, much less so than in sparring with your teammates.

And the guy he beat looked solid enough. And complain about him using an allowed submission!? Please... if you had it, would you have let it go? If you would then competing is not for you.
8/7/14 8:45 PM
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Jordan Tabor - What are you talking about? I pulled, he passed, I countered, he tapped. Sounds about right. I made a mistake, he made a mistake, his was fatal, mine was not.
You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt. Then pulled off the one technique you are good at.... yep your are a BB... in your own mind. Phone Post 3.0

This is kind of silly, Jordan's done enough dumb shit that you don't need to criticize him for the stuff he hasn't done.

It was a garbage guard pull, but I don't think the way he tried to recover is that bad(trying to come up on a single is totally legit and the way his opponent countered it was pretty nice) and he never got mounted.

100%. When I hear people talk this way about someone's bad move in a match it's very likely coming form a source with limited experience in competition. Everything doesn't turn out the way you plan in a competition, much less so than in sparring with your teammates.

And the guy he beat looked solid enough. And complain about him using an allowed submission!? Please... if you had it, would you have let it go? If you would then competing is not for you.

This is really neither here nor there in relation to the self promotion but since I love heelhooks I'll try to explain the issue. Many many many gi practioners have spent a bjj lifetime avoiding twisting and reaping leglocks. To the point that it is almost embarrassing. They don't recognize the setups they don't know a quality defense and they are overly paranoid that as soon as it it locked up their leg will instantly explode. Of course to me this is stupid and ridiculous. I have leglocked many people that are much better at bjj overall simply due to ignorance. Just because I heelhook a black belt doesn't mean I am at a black belt level. This is the issue people are having with the video. Of course Jordan won and I think it is great. I think heelhooks should be allowed in gi and nogi. But just because you win using a move your opponent is unfamiliar with doesn't negate poor technique in other areas. If you look up scott yokel from 10th planet a couple years ago he heelhooked a black belt when he was a blue belt. He has gone on to beat others and generally be all around good. I think he is still a purple belt. Heel hooks are wonderful and my highest percentage sub but using one to win doesn't mean all your other skills are necessarily on point.
8/8/14 12:31 AM
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Jordan Tabor - Ask him EXACTLY what happened. Not that nonsense where I just showed up in a black belt. Ask him what the messages sent were about. Ask him how Carlos was involved.

If you notice, he responded with lies. He called Keenan and found out I was never on TLI?

http://juliuspark.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/2009-team-lloyd-irvin-world-championships-roster/

I contacted Keenan. Keenan doesn't know a Vinny Souza. Contact him again and ask for the truth.

So the link you provided shows us that you were in fact on TLI back then?

And you were listed as a blue, in May 2009. When did this black belt fiasco start? Within the last few months?

From blue to black in just under 5 years? Is that what you're saying? And the competition footage in your opinion confirms 1) a black belt skill level and 2) the rapid promotion from blue to black?

Thanks in advance.
8/8/14 2:03 AM
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So the link you provided shows us that you were in fact on TLI back then?


Yep.

When did this black belt fiasco start?


January 2013.

From blue to black in just under 5 years?


It's actually an interesting story. I started with wrestling. First, I had to know if the jiujitsu worked. So I fought Alliance and got my ass kicked. Then I trained with Alliance, and eventually working as an apprentice instructor. This was between 2002 and 2006. During that time period I fought under their banner, grappled under their banner and helped them with their cross training, as I was studying muay thai at the time as well.

We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. It was kinda cool. That was in 07. I moved into the academy in 2008. Took a room in the back and lived on the mats. I woke up in the morning, taught morning class, cleaned the mats for three hours a day, taught the kids classes, taught some adult classes, trained, etc.

After a few years, the training took it's toll and I went down from exhaustion. A team mate saved my life. When I recovered, I got back to it, earning my purple in 09 after mundials. 2010 the recession hit. I left the academy, as funding had run out, and went to strike out on my own. I receive my brown belt as a parting gift.

I'm seeing weird stuff from the federation, people losing their belts, people buying rank, lineage wars, all that nonsense. Figured I would stay at brown, avoid that scene. So I head to Boston, get a job teaching, and mind my business. First instructor was cool. I rarely worked with him. Kicked my ass pretty good though. He left.

We hire two new guys. One is Vinny. I'd started brown belt off getting choked unconscious. I kept training. Three years later, I encounter Vinny's team. They ask me to step aside on account of our being on the same team. I decline, they insist, they talk to the ref, I'm out, they're in. I hit the brown belt division and they go over, fix the brackets and remove me again, this time placing me in the black belt division so they could win the brown. I win the black belt division against a second degree. The guy from BTT suggests I ask for my belt. I didn't want to do that, so I didn't. Vinny walks up and tells me he can't promote me. I said fine. Now he's telling my manager its time for me to advance. Only thing I would need to do is teach for him. They would "own a piece of me". I decline, management insisted, giving me a week to accept the promotion. I accept it.

Now there's the matter of paperwork. Vinny goes to talk to Carlos because the forms are circular. IE you need form a to fill out form b and form b to fill out form a. It doesn't work UNLESS you sign the academy over. Affiliation is a serious business deal, not a requirement to hold rank in a martial art. Carlos Gracie Jr demands 2k to approve the promotion, or else I can reset the time on my brown belt. Also, separate your gi from your no gi, teach "full time" and one other vague statement of advice. I wait a few months to see if they were seriously gonna go with extortion, then watched them rip off Osman and Schilling, along with a whole bunch of others. I put my belt on and walk from the deal. No beef. No threatening behavior, we just went back about our business.

Vinny is cool. I'm cool. The matter is done. Then the IBJJF held a meeting in new york. The new rules are this.

1. The affiliations are actually franchises, not teams.

2.Everyone above brown and black must invest in an approved franchise. You know, instead of maybe paying... THE GYM OWNER? You know, the guy that does the work.

In other words, they wanted 2k and a bad investment to not lose my rank. Of course I kept it. If someone threatens me, I do the opposite of their demands. Their primary threat was you guys. You'd catch me for sure. CUO just isn't scary enough. Sorry.

Now, next, I reactivated "Investigations" and started looking at the structure of this company. You know, to track that $2,000 that they REALLY seemed to want. That's when we're contacted by both the muscle and the victim. So we contacted both the Gracie and Machado families. Everyone we talked to had one thing to say, the dude's a goon, going so far as to victimize his own family members for a quick buck. The prior owners were no better, shut down for drug trafficking.

At this point, I realized I was dealing with the fucking mob. So yeah, no sir, you're not getting me to sign with them, make things right with them, train with them or otherwise support, endorse or being anywhere near that shit. Some of you reading this, including those about to make negative comments, know full damn well that you're sitting there paying about $200 a month to NOT train with a dude. You just won't lose your rank is all. Won't be banned from tournaments. Are we renting black belts now? These dudes are under the impression that this thing entitles them to monthly payments, down payments, franchise fees, etc.

So that's each belt level and what I did there. Now I just posted that under my real name, so if I'm a liar, you know who to sue. Pretty sure they have the cash and the lawyers to do so. I just feel it should be known, this guy's a shot caller, a criminal. Heed my warning. Things were smooth, Carlos shows up, shit got crazy.
8/8/14 2:24 AM
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"We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. "

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8/8/14 6:30 AM
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Jordan Tabor - What are you talking about? I pulled, he passed, I countered, he tapped. Sounds about right. I made a mistake, he made a mistake, his was fatal, mine was not.
You pulled worse then a white belt, you defended like a white belt, got mounted like a white belt. Then pulled off the one technique you are good at.... yep your are a BB... in your own mind. Phone Post 3.0

This is kind of silly, Jordan's done enough dumb shit that you don't need to criticize him for the stuff he hasn't done.

It was a garbage guard pull, but I don't think the way he tried to recover is that bad(trying to come up on a single is totally legit and the way his opponent countered it was pretty nice) and he never got mounted.

100%. When I hear people talk this way about someone's bad move in a match it's very likely coming form a source with limited experience in competition. Everything doesn't turn out the way you plan in a competition, much less so than in sparring with your teammates.

And the guy he beat looked solid enough. And complain about him using an allowed submission!? Please... if you had it, would you have let it go? If you would then competing is not for you.

This is really neither here nor there in relation to the self promotion but since I love heelhooks I'll try to explain the issue. Many many many gi practioners have spent a bjj lifetime avoiding twisting and reaping leglocks. To the point that it is almost embarrassing. They don't recognize the setups they don't know a quality defense and they are overly paranoid that as soon as it it locked up their leg will instantly explode. Of course to me this is stupid and ridiculous. I have leglocked many people that are much better at bjj overall simply due to ignorance. Just because I heelhook a black belt doesn't mean I am at a black belt level. This is the issue people are having with the video. Of course Jordan won and I think it is great. I think heelhooks should be allowed in gi and nogi. But just because you win using a move your opponent is unfamiliar with doesn't negate poor technique in other areas. If you look up scott yokel from 10th planet a couple years ago he heelhooked a black belt when he was a blue belt. He has gone on to beat others and generally be all around good. I think he is still a purple belt. Heel hooks are wonderful and my highest percentage sub but using one to win doesn't mean all your other skills are necessarily on point.

I absolutely disagree. Your whole argument is completely based on your assumptions. You don't know how much he knows about the set ups of heel hooks, if he uses them a lot himself or if it's his favorite technique. People miss set ups all the time in competitions.

And someone attributed the win to an early tap. But the fact of the matter is that only his opponent knows what it felt like. Unless you know the guy it's impossible to know the limitations of his acl, meniscus and so forth.

But I do agree with this being neither here nor there to Jordan's self promotion. There have been so many twists and turns in that guy's story that it all feels like bs at this point.
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"It's actually an interesting story. I started with wrestling. First, I had to know if the jiujitsu worked. So I fought Alliance and got my ass kicked. Then I trained with Alliance, and eventually working as an apprentice instructor. This was between 2002 and 2006. During that time period I fought under their banner, grappled under their banner and helped them with their cross training, as I was studying muay thai at the time as well.

We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. It was kinda cool. That was in 07. I moved into the academy in 2008. Took a room in the back and lived on the mats. I woke up in the morning, taught morning class, cleaned the mats for three hours a day, taught the kids classes, taught some adult classes, trained, etc."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you said you moved into and lived at Moses' academy, not alliance headquarters.
8/8/14 8:35 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you said you moved into and lived at Moses' academy, not alliance headquarters.


Alliance is not known as "the academy". I trained in both Atlanta and MD, settling in MD, before moving to Boston. Atlanta is where I picked up my leg locks.

There have been so many twists and turns in that guy's story that it all feels like bs at this point.


That's because it's actually real. You can attend class a couple of days a week, pal up with the instructor, do a couple of sport matches, pay your money, not ask any questions and get the dull, neutered martial arts experience that most of the posters are describing. If you open your eyes, start asking questions, take an active role in your environment, then you'll see an entirely new world. You've literally got guys on board talking about how much realer their arts is because they never pissed anyone off and stood next to people that did stuff. What?
8/8/14 9:38 AM
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OK, with this 'fighting the triads' stuff, I now believe we have all taken the bait.

Congrats sir, you have broke my 15 year streak of never getting trolled on the internet.
8/8/14 10:02 AM
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"We also operated a fight club/investigations agency out of alliance head quarters, eventually defeating an alliance of Chinese society members. Guy from the Masons, guy from Temple, those guys. It was kinda cool."

What year was it that you participated in the Kumite and beat Chong Li???


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