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8/1/14 5:03 PM
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checkuroil
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Want ur opinions.

Should people wear their no gi rank (yes, people give out no gi rank) when they put on the gi? Or should they wear their gi rank, which could be white for those who never trained with the gi on?

I have my opinions, obviously, but I want to hear yours. Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 5:29 PM
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I'm a black belt and personally I could give a shit but I can see people arguing back and forth over it for justifiable reasons. It probably depends on the circumstances what the etiquette is and it's probably best to just check with whoever is running class or the head instructor and what their preference is. Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 5:29 PM
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I think wearing a blue belt is fine but anything above that you're just way too behind the curve. You might adjust quickly but starting off I don't think a no gi brown is gonna translate to a gi brown right away Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 5:46 PM
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I train both and I love both and they do compliment each. However gi->nogi is not the same as nogi->gi. ... Early on it doesn't matter too much like Easters said... At the higher level, you might miss a few grips depending upon your style of gi game, but I think the adjustment a pretty quick. When going from nogi->gi, there's a similar adjustment getting used to people gripping you (along with all the extra guards, chokes, etc) that there's more complexity but also the technical details are often missing. There's just less scrambles and slipping through or out of positions. You never had to pay attention to that level of detail to make the move successful enough.... I'm not trying to disparage a nogi rank. I just think that that's the way it is.

There is a lot of translation back and forth. So I'm also not in the camp that says even if you're a nogi brown, that you're a gi white... I think an instructor needs to do some evaluation and just bump up fairly quickly to where he thinks they belong.

8/1/14 5:52 PM
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I'd say going about it the way you did is the best way. Put on whatever rank you've earned in the gi. I wouldn't go train with Eddie and demand to be treated as a purple belt. However, just training both as often as possible is the best solution.
8/1/14 6:09 PM
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I know a guy who is a brown belt in the 10th planet system. To my knowledge, he has not received any promotion in the gi but he wears a brown belt when he wears the gi.

He is really good but does not understand gi grips whatsoever. He does, though, utilized over hooks and under hooks really well and has a great guard.
8/1/14 6:12 PM
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I'd just ask the instructor, and go with that.
8/1/14 6:29 PM
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I dunno, let me pose the opposite question - do u guys who really train mostly gi wear the gi ranked rash guards that correspond with your gi belt level?

I've seen guys who wear the gi only look relatively lost no gi because of the lack of understanding of no gi grips. I've seen guys who are also good in both
8/1/14 6:45 PM
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shark tank - I know a guy who is a brown belt in the 10th planet system. To my knowledge, he has not received any promotion in the gi but he wears a brown belt when he wears the gi.

He is really good but does not understand gi grips whatsoever. He does, though, utilized over hooks and under hooks really well and has a great guard.

Kinda makes rank misleading doesn't it? Because I can ask a Judo brown belt wearing a Jiu Jitsu white belt or blue belt the same question about grips and get an in depth answer.

8/1/14 6:47 PM
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shark tank - I know a guy who is a brown belt in the 10th planet system. To my knowledge, he has not received any promotion in the gi but he wears a brown belt when he wears the gi.

He is really good but does not understand gi grips whatsoever. He does, though, utilized over hooks and under hooks really well and has a great guard.

Is his name Rick by any chance?
8/1/14 6:51 PM
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Unless your instructor is teaching "submission grappling" or some such your rank in BJJ is your rank in BJJ no matter if you train mostly Gi or No-Gi. If he promoted you to blue, purple, brown, black in BJJ then that is your BJJ rank.

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8/1/14 7:37 PM
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If a person train bjj....they are what theier instructor awarded. If they dont train bjj, or train something similar, but branded as something else....then why shoukd they have that rank? Lastly, how can it be bjj w/o the gi?

One can train bjj in the the gi or w/o, such as in vale tudo or plain no-gi. IME jiujitsu is inclusive of all that. But w/o any gi training.....it it still brazilian/gracie jiujitsu? Can a luta livre fighter claim jiuitsu rank?? Can a catch wrestler? Would a judoka who has never worn a gi be a judoka....wouod a greco wrestler have j7do rank?

Props to COU for doing it they way he did even though he'd smash most people in or out of a gi. If I went to 10pjj Id feel id want to be ranked white belt so as to meet the requirements of promotion through tbeir system.

Bjj is a fairly open system if we really examine it. If you thino about it.....is a guy "legit" if he only does gi sport?.....I think everyone agrees yes. Some instructors say to be awarded by them student need more than pure grapplin....like forum member estrada. For me personnally i feel similar, a person needs training in fighting application of jiujitsu. Other guys on here have said NO and their requjrements is competing and medaling at each rank. So it pretty open, but i havent seen anyone say "no need gi at all" afaik.
8/1/14 8:04 PM
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I think wearing the nogi rank is fine but you are going to have all the purples and above using every lapel trick they know at 100% to say they tapped a black.
If that's ok with the wearer then go nuts. Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 8:22 PM
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If someone has a nogi rank from a legit source (Chris Brennan, Eddie Bravo), I wouldn't really have an issue with it. Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 10:18 PM
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If a no gi black belt can't do a proper cross choke from mount then they probably shouldn't wear a black belt in gi. Jiu-Jitsu shouldn't just be about who can beat who in training or competition. Obviously performance against resisting opponents is a very important part, but not the only thing that matters. Knowledge of the art should also be a factor. It's irritating to me when a great grappler gets promoted to black belt in BJJ when they've never trained in the gi. This usually happens because they are beating higher belts.
8/1/14 10:30 PM
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I definitely dont think you should.

If you havent attained the rank in gi, you shouldnt wear it.

Then again, I think I saw Victor Davila, 10th Planet Black belt, wear his black belt when he trained in a gi at Cobrinhas (saw a pic)...I think it was kinda ballsy for him to do that- unless he has a black belt in the gi.
8/1/14 10:55 PM
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I have a friend who is a 4 stripe purple in NO gi (legit school)and just switched to training with the gi at a new school. He is having trouble against spider guards, etc. But has no problem when in top position and has even tapped some browns. It will take him a couple of months to catch on to the "grips" but he is still at purple level.

8/1/14 10:59 PM
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To me, its not even about what level you are.

If you have shunned the gi so much that you have only attained a rank in no gi, then you shouldnt be allowed to transfer it directly over once you finally decide that you want to wear the gi.

Having said that, I have no problem with someone rising up the ranks super fast if they already have an extensive no gi background.

8/1/14 11:26 PM
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Should a black belt in judo wear a black belt in BJJ? Phone Post 3.0
8/1/14 11:45 PM
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I would be a white belt in 10th planet nogi Jiujitsu.  I don't know the system that well and I feel that if I were to train there I would do so as a white belt. Receptive and intuitive learning plus humility is a great way to go, either nogi to gi or vice versa.

8/2/14 12:01 AM
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Robobear -

I would be a white belt in 10th planet nogi Jiujitsu.  I don't know the system that well and I feel that if I were to train there I would do so as a white belt. Receptive and intuitive learning plus humility is a great way to go, either nogi to gi or vice versa.

I wish others in other threads around here would see it this way. All class. Phone Post 3.0
8/2/14 12:20 AM
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what about a guy who who is a guest to your school who wears a lower rank, offers to help people get ready for a tourney, but might be in the same division as people he is training with if he lies about his division day of the tourney............should we tell him to peace out...
8/2/14 1:42 AM
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whatevermoo - what about a guy who who is a guest to your school who wears a lower rank, offers to help people get ready for a tourney, but might be in the same division as people he is training with if he lies about his division day of the tourney............should we tell him to peace out...

Sounds interesting, please expand on this
8/2/14 2:00 AM
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basically he dropped into our school rocking a purple belt (he has a friend who goes to our school), google search had him getting his brown from a diff school, the guy at our school talked to his boy and he said he didn't feel comfy wearing the brown he was given bc his school didn't have that many colored belts...now he's training with people at my school at the same weight level...how do you treat this situation??

we're basically talking naga no gi divisions

Shouldnt he be in advanced or expert (advanced/expert/pro division given he also has 4 or 5 amateur mma fights) compared to people who have trained 3-4 yrs who are prepping for the same tourney as him.

He def cant rep our school so why should our guys train with him for two months then have to face him in a tourney if he reps a diff school??
8/2/14 2:17 AM
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I think if the black belt instructor says that you are a "____ belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" then you wear that belt in the gi. If you have no clue what you're doing the "I train no gi only" excuse does not hold weight. Jiu jitsu is the gi. Greco wrestlers don't slap the gi on and go "oh I'm a no gi judo black belt" there's no such thing. If your instructor says "you're a ___ belt in my no gi jiu jitsu system which is an equivelant of sorts " then I don't think it makes your skillset or that rank less meaningful it just illustrates that the gi is the foundation of that martial art and not knowing techniques in it means that you do not know true Jiu Jitsu. I would still respect other no gi systems and it's practitioners so I don't see why more ppl aren't proud of their accomplishments similarly to the 10th planet system. Phone Post 3.0

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