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8/24/14 3:03 PM
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chingluksuwa
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Whambo - This should be a bigger story than it is. This is pretty scary.

Fucking this. Hughes has been around for years and knows what he is doing.

On both fights he had another judge agreed with his final decision. Dana has agreed with one of his decisions!

It was another judge that scored that ridiculous 30-27 and he is home sleeping soundly. Imagine how you would feel if you were Hughes. I'd be furious!

8/24/14 3:19 PM
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Something definitely needs to be done about judging. This is not the way to go about it.
8/24/14 4:11 PM
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Truly scandalous! This is as corrupt and sleazy as you can get. Of course there'll be no repercussions for BLAF.

WHAT A JOKE!
8/24/14 4:14 PM
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So wait, he takes the judge out and then as a result... who judged the fights that said judge would have judged and didn't? Did he pick the guy who replaced him?

 

This is beyond conflict of interest, and also why even if Cung Le is juiced we may never know because of the total lack of commission in China.

8/24/14 4:18 PM
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If the NSAC had any balls, they would threaten to not license UFC fights in Nevada if they ever tampered with their own commission's judges again.

The UFC promoting fights in Nevada is a privilege. If they think they can flout generally accepted commission practices when they're not reporting to an independent commission they shouldn't be allowed to promote fights under a legit one.
8/24/14 10:23 PM
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Firstly i didnt see the fights so im a bit ignorant on the topic. But are people busting dana's balls for reacting to a retarded judge, when he has the ability to do so. The same thing people yell he should do at other fights, where he has no control over the judges.
8/24/14 11:05 PM
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Huge conflict of interest having a promotion as big as the UFC in charge of the judges


Also on a separate note involving MMA, I just saw on twitter that Frank Trigg is reffing UMMA in SoCal tonight with Mac Danzig. Happy for Mac Danzig but isn't Frank Trigg blatantly a media guy from a gambling or odds website (mmaoddsbreaker.com) who lost his job as a announcer at HDNET over choking his wife in front of his kids? How is this allowed with ANY ATHLETIC COMMISSION PRO OR AMATEUR. Who specifically is turning their head(s) to this? Or do they just let anyone in at this point?


So now he's reffing MMA and still a media/TV personality? I am all about having good officials but this is absolutely a conflict of interest and I don't think someone who lost their job as an announcer for choking their wife should get be able to ref or judge fights. There are other knowledgeable officials that never strangled their wives!!!???

Ive never been a fan of Frank Trigg even when he was fighting. He came off like a selfish jerk
(lets not forget Hughes vs. Trigg)

WTF is happening in this sport. Dana getting judges yanked when he feels like it and wife beaters from gambling and media websites are now officials in a sport of honor and integrity

Nothing to see here. Move along
8/24/14 11:12 PM
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good for dana...

i like how he handled it too.... go grab some beer and enjoy the fights...
8/25/14 3:35 AM
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Bailx - good for dana...

i like how he handled it too.... go grab some beer and enjoy the fights...

As long as Hughes grabbed a Budweiser, he had a good night
8/25/14 4:43 AM
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Atlee - Firstly i didnt see the fights so im a bit ignorant on the topic. But are people busting dana's balls for reacting to a retarded judge, when he has the ability to do so. The same thing people yell he should do at other fights, where he has no control over the judges.

He shouldn't have the ability to do that at all - conflict of interest, etc.

Also he removed a judge who actually hadn't done anything particularly stupid. They were close to close-ish fights iirc

So IMO, he did something he shouldn't have the ability to do to a person he didn't have much of a basis to even do it to.

People don't seem to realize that...

1. Hughes was NOT the judge that bizarrely scored the first fight 30-27 and,
2. In the second fight Hughes had another judge scoring it exactly the same.

Also, since the fights, Dana has said that he agrees with one of Hughes two final decisions that he removed him for!!

mmajunkie did an article about it ( http://mmajunkie.com/2014/08/dana-white-ends-judge-howard-hughes-night-early-at-ufc-fight-night-48 ) but it seems to be quietly slipping by unnoticed!

What would happen in a 'normal' job if say a Managing Director suspended one of his employees like this? Strong possibility of legal action IMO.
8/25/14 4:56 AM
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Any decision that went to the judges after that judge was removed should be changed to a NC. Dana is a promoter. He can't replace a judge cos he doesn't agree with ONE of his decisions.

Dana is starting to make Don King look like a beacon of ethics and impartiality.

The judging for this card was DIRECTLY influenced by the promoter and CEO of the UFC. That's illegal in in every state in the US and there should be serious repercussions for both the UFC and Dana. He should be suspended from attending fights for 6 months. Phone Post 3.0
8/25/14 5:45 AM
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This video was taken inside the Bell Center in Montreal.  The man speaking is Mike Mersch, who is the Vice President of Legal and Business Affairs for the UFC.  He is speaking to Nick Diaz—who has already completed his weight cut, and is waiting to weigh in.  The UFC unsuccessfully attempted to have this video removed due to "copyright" claims. 
 
 
 
Here is some of the text of the discussion between Diaz’s camp and Mike Mersch: 
 
“Here, they’re going to allow you and Georges to have an extra hour,” Mersch says. “Just in case somebody doesn’t make it.”
 
               “But the good news is, they don’t count the decimal. If you’re 170.2 it’s 170. If it’s 170.9. it’s 170.”
A member of the Diaz camp responds, asking “why didn’t we know that before?”
 
Mersch continues.
 
                “Should be fine, hopefully, other than that. Just so you guys are in the loop, if there’s …”
 
Again, a member of the Diaz camps responds, asking “why didn’t you tell us that yesterday?”
 
Mersch continues.
 
                   “Well, no,” he says. “It’s just something to keep in mind. That’s kind of an off the record type of thing. But keep that in mind. As long as he’s under 171, we should be good.  But, there is a time period afterwards, for you and Georges only. All the other fighters have to make it the first time. Just letting you guys be in the loop, okay? Good luck.
 
A member of the Diaz camp quips, “that’s a loophole… A Canadian loophole.”
 
The reason Diaz camp asks repeated why they weren’t told of this rule the day before—Nick has already cut his weight.  Nick, on the video can be heard saying, Georges isn’t going to make weight-that’s why they are being told now. In fact, it wasn’t a rule at all. 
 
Later that night, Nick has a conversation with a Zuffa PR person about his displeasure with being promoted as the villain—including having “scrub” photos used that are outdated. 
 
Nick’s attorney, Jonathan Tweedale released a series of texts he had later that night—with Mike Mersch, regarding the weigh-in allowance and “off the record” rule.  Mersch flat out denies any knowledge—which is incredible.  The video conversation stating the off-the-record rule is Mersch speaking.  This is the same night: 
 
Cont.
 
8/25/14 5:45 AM
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Here is the text conversation between Tweedale (JDT) and Mersch (MM), which starts at 9:24 p.m.:
 
JDT: "Hi Mike. Nick is curious about the .9 pound allowance at today's weigh-in for his
championship bout. He doesn't want to be a nuisance about this, but he's a bit confused. Can you
shed any light?"
 
MM: "I don't know what you're talking about. All parties weighed in appropriately according [to]the Quebec Commission."
 
JDT: "Of course. You're right, and he knows that. He just wanted to know why the Quebec
Commission was okay with a 0.9 pound weight allowance for a championship fight. Nick's not
going to make an issue of it, but it's been gnawing at him since it was explained to him at the
weigh-ins, on an "off the record" basis or otherwise. I just want him to stop thinking about it, and
thought you could provide some insight."
 
              MM: "I have been told everyone made weight so there's nothing to make an issue about. He might want to focus on how he's going to win the fight rather than spending the night making excusesabout why he lost.”
 
The correspondence continued at 9:46 p.m.:
 
JDT: "C'mon Mike you're just going to stonewall on this issue? We're reaching out in a discreet
manner, as appropriate in the circumstances. Meet us half-way."
 
MM: "Huh? The Commission determined both fighters weighed 170 or less. What am I supposed to
do about that? I would think Nick would be excited to compete for the UFC Welterweight title.
Seems like he's focused on the wrong issue."
 
JDT: "No one wants you to *do* anything. If the answer is simply "the Quebec Commission permits a promoter
to request that .9 pounds be rounded down in a championship fight (unlike, e.g.,
the Washington commission for Nate's fight), and Zuffa made that request here", then pls confirm.
Far better to reach out this way than the uncooperative Twitter/media way."
 
MM: "How would I know what the Quebec Commission does? I was informed everyone made
weight like everyone else at the weigh in. Zuffa made no requests for anything from the Quebec
Commission. Good luck to Nick with the fight."
 
JDT: "Okay. I'll let Nick know that you can't shed any light on why Quebec treats 170.9 as 170 in a
championship fight. Disappointing. Thanks for your time and your wish of luck to Nick for the
fight."
 
MM: "Again I have no idea what you're talking about. The Quebec Commission indicated both
fighters were 170 or lower."
 
JDT: "If you don't know then I should be asking someone else. No worries, Mike. Which UFC exec advised Nick and his entourage before the weigh-in that "If you're 170.2, you're 170. If you're 170.9, you're 170...that's a kinda off the record type of thing"?"
 
MM: "I would think you'd direct that to the source: the Quebec Commission. The UFC has nothing to do with weigh ins in Quebec."
 
Tweedale then reached out to an official of the Quebec Commission: 
 
JDT: "Michel, do you have anything more to say about the 0.9 pound allowance for Georges?"
 
MH: "No the responsable of the weight in call 170 as mentioned."
 
JDT: "Okay. That was the weight called out. But what about the rule? Why was the "special" rule
made that anything up to 170.9 was to be called out as "170"?"
 
MH: "The were no specials rules !"
 
The UFC, however, denies having any authority over the “independent” AC’s that govern them, which is why Mersch denied any involvement, which is incredible since he was on the video informing the Diaz camp of the “off the record" rule.
 
 

For the record, Quebec is the same commission that by regulation required use of an "Octagon" which of course, requires permission from Zuffa to hold an event (if in cage):

http://topmmanews.com/2010/05/10/quebec-octagon-bylaws-force-lgio-to-cancel-shows/

 
8/25/14 8:51 AM
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So when they say the names of judges for a fight, I guess that can be taken with a grain of salt too.

 

I guess they can throw any three names out there.  Who's going to know the difference?

8/25/14 8:57 AM
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When this happen it definitely shows some sort of strong arming.


Anyone ever ask Dana about this at the media scrum? Phone Post 3.0
8/25/14 2:23 PM
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Stea1th - When this happen it definitely shows some sort of strong arming.


Anyone ever ask Dana about this at the media scrum? Phone Post 3.0
Well of reporters ask questions Dana doesn't like they lose their credentials. Notice a pattern here? Phone Post 3.0
8/26/14 10:56 AM
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Stea1th - When this happen it definitely shows some sort of strong arming.


Anyone ever ask Dana about this at the media scrum? Phone Post 3.0
Well of reporters ask questions Dana doesn't like they lose their credentials. Notice a pattern here? Phone Post 3.0

Yeah I noticed something like that with the mmajunkie article. It was a good factual account, but was written in the nicest possible way without actually calling Dana out on the fact that he might have fucked someone's judging career... or something. He should be getting slammed for this.
8/26/14 11:30 AM
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here we go....

"Dana White found to be in 'breach' of UFC 'regulatory protocol' for removing judge at UFC Fight Night 48"

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/26/6069433/dana-white-found-to-be-in-breach-of-ufc-regulatory-protocol-for
8/26/14 1:00 PM
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What is this "regulatory" protocol? 

Does it exist or is this sort of like the "fighter code of ethics" that was announced well before it existed?

8/26/14 2:53 PM
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Macedawgg -

What is this "regulatory" protocol? 

Does it exist or is this sort of like the "fighter code of ethics" that was announced well before it existed?

Good question. But I'm sure the NSAC and other US commissions have strict guidelines about interfering with judging. If Dana tried to pull that shit in Nevada the judge woulda told him to go fuck himself.

The UFC acting as regulator in overseas markets is an honor system. It's like letting a coach or reserve player referee a match. Clear conflict if interest but there's an honor system in place. Problem is Dana has no honor or shame and toroedo'd the whole concept by sacking a judge mid-card.

What I don't get is Dana bragging about it at the post fight presser in his typical wannabe tough guy way. Is he really dumb enough to not see this would be a problem? Or just used to being able to act like a deuche without any repercussions... Phone Post 3.0
8/26/14 2:59 PM
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Message only has to be sent once to be effective. . .

Look at the officials who refused to speak. . . 

"Apologize" the next week--the message has already been sent loud and clear. 

White is clearly not stupid


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