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8/24/14 4:18 PM
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MagSlim
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If the NSAC had any balls, they would threaten to not license UFC fights in Nevada if they ever tampered with their own commission's judges again.

The UFC promoting fights in Nevada is a privilege. If they think they can flout generally accepted commission practices when they're not reporting to an independent commission they shouldn't be allowed to promote fights under a legit one.
8/24/14 10:23 PM
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Atlee
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Firstly i didnt see the fights so im a bit ignorant on the topic. But are people busting dana's balls for reacting to a retarded judge, when he has the ability to do so. The same thing people yell he should do at other fights, where he has no control over the judges.
8/24/14 11:12 PM
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good for dana...

i like how he handled it too.... go grab some beer and enjoy the fights...
8/25/14 3:35 AM
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Bailx - good for dana...

i like how he handled it too.... go grab some beer and enjoy the fights...

As long as Hughes grabbed a Budweiser, he had a good night
8/25/14 4:43 AM
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Atlee - Firstly i didnt see the fights so im a bit ignorant on the topic. But are people busting dana's balls for reacting to a retarded judge, when he has the ability to do so. The same thing people yell he should do at other fights, where he has no control over the judges.

He shouldn't have the ability to do that at all - conflict of interest, etc.

Also he removed a judge who actually hadn't done anything particularly stupid. They were close to close-ish fights iirc

So IMO, he did something he shouldn't have the ability to do to a person he didn't have much of a basis to even do it to.

People don't seem to realize that...

1. Hughes was NOT the judge that bizarrely scored the first fight 30-27 and,
2. In the second fight Hughes had another judge scoring it exactly the same.

Also, since the fights, Dana has said that he agrees with one of Hughes two final decisions that he removed him for!!

mmajunkie did an article about it ( http://mmajunkie.com/2014/08/dana-white-ends-judge-howard-hughes-night-early-at-ufc-fight-night-48 ) but it seems to be quietly slipping by unnoticed!

What would happen in a 'normal' job if say a Managing Director suspended one of his employees like this? Strong possibility of legal action IMO.
8/25/14 5:45 AM
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This video was taken inside the Bell Center in Montreal.  The man speaking is Mike Mersch, who is the Vice President of Legal and Business Affairs for the UFC.  He is speaking to Nick Diaz—who has already completed his weight cut, and is waiting to weigh in.  The UFC unsuccessfully attempted to have this video removed due to "copyright" claims. 
 
 
 
Here is some of the text of the discussion between Diaz’s camp and Mike Mersch: 
 
“Here, they’re going to allow you and Georges to have an extra hour,” Mersch says. “Just in case somebody doesn’t make it.”
 
               “But the good news is, they don’t count the decimal. If you’re 170.2 it’s 170. If it’s 170.9. it’s 170.”
A member of the Diaz camp responds, asking “why didn’t we know that before?”
 
Mersch continues.
 
                “Should be fine, hopefully, other than that. Just so you guys are in the loop, if there’s …”
 
Again, a member of the Diaz camps responds, asking “why didn’t you tell us that yesterday?”
 
Mersch continues.
 
                   “Well, no,” he says. “It’s just something to keep in mind. That’s kind of an off the record type of thing. But keep that in mind. As long as he’s under 171, we should be good.  But, there is a time period afterwards, for you and Georges only. All the other fighters have to make it the first time. Just letting you guys be in the loop, okay? Good luck.
 
A member of the Diaz camp quips, “that’s a loophole… A Canadian loophole.”
 
The reason Diaz camp asks repeated why they weren’t told of this rule the day before—Nick has already cut his weight.  Nick, on the video can be heard saying, Georges isn’t going to make weight-that’s why they are being told now. In fact, it wasn’t a rule at all. 
 
Later that night, Nick has a conversation with a Zuffa PR person about his displeasure with being promoted as the villain—including having “scrub” photos used that are outdated. 
 
Nick’s attorney, Jonathan Tweedale released a series of texts he had later that night—with Mike Mersch, regarding the weigh-in allowance and “off the record” rule.  Mersch flat out denies any knowledge—which is incredible.  The video conversation stating the off-the-record rule is Mersch speaking.  This is the same night: 
 
Cont.
 
8/25/14 5:45 AM
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Here is the text conversation between Tweedale (JDT) and Mersch (MM), which starts at 9:24 p.m.:
 
JDT: "Hi Mike. Nick is curious about the .9 pound allowance at today's weigh-in for his
championship bout. He doesn't want to be a nuisance about this, but he's a bit confused. Can you
shed any light?"
 
MM: "I don't know what you're talking about. All parties weighed in appropriately according [to]the Quebec Commission."
 
JDT: "Of course. You're right, and he knows that. He just wanted to know why the Quebec
Commission was okay with a 0.9 pound weight allowance for a championship fight. Nick's not
going to make an issue of it, but it's been gnawing at him since it was explained to him at the
weigh-ins, on an "off the record" basis or otherwise. I just want him to stop thinking about it, and
thought you could provide some insight."
 
              MM: "I have been told everyone made weight so there's nothing to make an issue about. He might want to focus on how he's going to win the fight rather than spending the night making excusesabout why he lost.”
 
The correspondence continued at 9:46 p.m.:
 
JDT: "C'mon Mike you're just going to stonewall on this issue? We're reaching out in a discreet
manner, as appropriate in the circumstances. Meet us half-way."
 
MM: "Huh? The Commission determined both fighters weighed 170 or less. What am I supposed to
do about that? I would think Nick would be excited to compete for the UFC Welterweight title.
Seems like he's focused on the wrong issue."
 
JDT: "No one wants you to *do* anything. If the answer is simply "the Quebec Commission permits a promoter
to request that .9 pounds be rounded down in a championship fight (unlike, e.g.,
the Washington commission for Nate's fight), and Zuffa made that request here", then pls confirm.
Far better to reach out this way than the uncooperative Twitter/media way."
 
MM: "How would I know what the Quebec Commission does? I was informed everyone made
weight like everyone else at the weigh in. Zuffa made no requests for anything from the Quebec
Commission. Good luck to Nick with the fight."
 
JDT: "Okay. I'll let Nick know that you can't shed any light on why Quebec treats 170.9 as 170 in a
championship fight. Disappointing. Thanks for your time and your wish of luck to Nick for the
fight."
 
MM: "Again I have no idea what you're talking about. The Quebec Commission indicated both
fighters were 170 or lower."
 
JDT: "If you don't know then I should be asking someone else. No worries, Mike. Which UFC exec advised Nick and his entourage before the weigh-in that "If you're 170.2, you're 170. If you're 170.9, you're 170...that's a kinda off the record type of thing"?"
 
MM: "I would think you'd direct that to the source: the Quebec Commission. The UFC has nothing to do with weigh ins in Quebec."
 
Tweedale then reached out to an official of the Quebec Commission: 
 
JDT: "Michel, do you have anything more to say about the 0.9 pound allowance for Georges?"
 
MH: "No the responsable of the weight in call 170 as mentioned."
 
JDT: "Okay. That was the weight called out. But what about the rule? Why was the "special" rule
made that anything up to 170.9 was to be called out as "170"?"
 
MH: "The were no specials rules !"
 
The UFC, however, denies having any authority over the “independent” AC’s that govern them, which is why Mersch denied any involvement, which is incredible since he was on the video informing the Diaz camp of the “off the record" rule.
 
 

For the record, Quebec is the same commission that by regulation required use of an "Octagon" which of course, requires permission from Zuffa to hold an event (if in cage):

http://topmmanews.com/2010/05/10/quebec-octagon-bylaws-force-lgio-to-cancel-shows/

 
8/25/14 8:51 AM
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So when they say the names of judges for a fight, I guess that can be taken with a grain of salt too.

 

I guess they can throw any three names out there.  Who's going to know the difference?

8/26/14 10:56 AM
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Stea1th - When this happen it definitely shows some sort of strong arming.


Anyone ever ask Dana about this at the media scrum? Phone Post 3.0
Well of reporters ask questions Dana doesn't like they lose their credentials. Notice a pattern here? Phone Post 3.0

Yeah I noticed something like that with the mmajunkie article. It was a good factual account, but was written in the nicest possible way without actually calling Dana out on the fact that he might have fucked someone's judging career... or something. He should be getting slammed for this.
8/26/14 11:30 AM
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chingluksuwa
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here we go....

"Dana White found to be in 'breach' of UFC 'regulatory protocol' for removing judge at UFC Fight Night 48"

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/26/6069433/dana-white-found-to-be-in-breach-of-ufc-regulatory-protocol-for
8/26/14 1:00 PM
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Macedawgg
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What is this "regulatory" protocol? 

Does it exist or is this sort of like the "fighter code of ethics" that was announced well before it existed?

8/26/14 2:59 PM
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Macedawgg
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Message only has to be sent once to be effective. . .

Look at the officials who refused to speak. . . 

"Apologize" the next week--the message has already been sent loud and clear. 

White is clearly not stupid


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