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4/12/04 9:32 PM
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Yelm the Douche
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I don't know for sure but I have read in several places that Ogawa's fights are known works. When Randleman fought Mo he landed 1 huge punch and held him down, when he fougt Pedro- Pedro was not right in that fight (because of an accidental headbutt) Petey- well he was saved by the bell in the first then did the lay n pray to win a decision, Ninja was dominating him up until the punch. Randleman does not=a legit contender.
4/12/04 9:38 PM
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HarlanEllison
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Yelm - good points. Admittedly he was saved by the bell, you could argue Pedro was off that night, and Ninja was besting Kev until Kev TKO'd him. I disagree on the Smith fight, personally very impressed Kevin could beat Smith standing up. But to me this does not mean Ken isn't a contender. Don't you think the fact that he beat Smith standing up and has great takedowns suggests he'll be a fascinating matchup for Mirko? The classic wrestler vs. Striker. I think it'll be greeat. Ogawa has done works in pro wwrestling but he's a Judo silver medalist and the fight with Gary was not a work. He's a "legit" badass. To be honest, other than these credentials, I haven't studied his career like the other fighters but what I've seen and heard impresses me. Thanks for the respectful post after I went off a bit.
4/12/04 9:39 PM
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pulsar
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"Do you know how many overmatched fights I've seen that the underdog has won?" Well, do you know how many overmatched fighters I've seen get totally wasted? It's just the constant consistency problems I have with Pride, from Matchups to decisions, every single event has something that does not correlate with a previous event. I'm used to it now, and I guess like many just hang out for the really cool matchups that do happen.
4/12/04 10:12 PM
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JudoMo
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not giving randelman a chance. gives you an idea of the difference of talent between ufc and pride.
4/12/04 10:23 PM
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pulsar
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"not giving randelman a chance. gives you an idea of the difference of talent between ufc and pride." With the same game he's been using from day 1, he's got no chance in either event.
4/12/04 10:59 PM
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"Then, I read green namers cheering and hollering, and maybe I'm the weirdo for wanting truely competitive fights." With the exception of Crocop vs a can -- which Randleman is not -- it's hard to say which fights will end up being competitive and which won't. In any case, the point of the tournament is to weed out those who can't hang, and hopefully insure that the best are left standing. I guarantee there will be at least a couple surprises as to who advances and who is upset. It also makes sense that top fighters are matched against fighters most think have little chance, at least in the early round(s). Look at how it only takes one loss, in many instances, for people to start saying a fighter has been "exposed" or was "over-rated". If you put Fedor vs Crocop in round one, right off the bat, one of the top guys in the sport is going to be a first-round loser, and that's never going to be good for building a fighter. If you put one of them against a legit up-and-comer, you have the same problem, a fighter who could have been something made to look like a chump in his first really big exposure.
4/12/04 11:38 PM
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You need to understand that Pride makes a hell of a lot of its revenue from Pro-Wrestling cross-over appeal. Hence the addition of Ogawa, Giant Silva etc.
4/13/04 12:03 AM
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pulsar
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Opash: Oh, I'm fully aware of that, but as an MMA website discussing MMA, I figure we've got some leverage to have a little whinge...
4/13/04 12:27 AM
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pulsar
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"But I am not a Japanese spectacle fan. So to me and most other non-Japanese fans this card is a let down." Word. Not that I don't always enjoy the glitz and drama the Japanese can promote. I watch several of their tv shows because they've got a knack for a kind of entertaining cliched drama. However, it's just not my cup of tea for MMA promotion.
4/13/04 12:39 AM
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Hirotaka Yokoi , Paulo Cesar "Giant" Silva , Sergei Kharitonov, The Texas Crazy Horse, Stefan "Blitz" Leko , Henry "Sentoryu" Miller.....are definitely better fighters than rizzo, ricco, silvia etc. No doubt about that and anyone who doesn't believe so is a retard.

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