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12/26/04 5:59 PM
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GrandpaB
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My son gave me a Surefire light for Christmas. It is incredibly brilliant for such a small package. He uses one in Iraq quite a bit. Have you guys tried one and what do you think about it? I believe it would give you a momentary advantage anytime you use it in the dark. Good thing to keep by the nightstand, etc. Grandpab
12/26/04 8:34 PM
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krept
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I've got an E2e. Best light I've ever had by a MILE. Surefires kick ass. I keep mine on the nightstand when sleeping and clipped to my pants at night. I compared it to a cops big maglight a couple months ago and it blew it away. cheers
12/26/04 9:52 PM
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Grandpa et al: I got your book in the mail a few days ago-- thanks, will read it very soon. Good present, good subject. Is there anyone who has looked into this who can offer a comparison of the differnt quality offerings? Brightness, sturdiness upon impact, etc-- that sort of thing? URLs too would be appreciated. TIA, Crafty Dog
12/27/04 4:52 AM
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Edited: 27-Dec-04
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I constantly carry the E2d with the Crenelated "Strike" bezel............ EXCELLENT tool......legal to carry as well, in a country where even a swiss army knife could land you in jail.
12/27/04 11:57 AM
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krept
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Crafty, a couple links to check out: http://flashlightreviews.com/reviews_index/reviews_index.htm (look specifically under Incandescent Lithium for lights like this) http://ledmuseum.home.att.net/ledleft.htm (look on the menu on the left side for a link to "Incandescent & HID Lights" candlepowerforums.com is also a good forum-style resource. You can use the search function for specific lights. Cheers
12/27/04 10:42 PM
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Apparently this light is used to stun/disorient people in order to subdue them. I am not into taking prisoners just saving my butt if necessary. I think it might be used to flash the eyes and then drive in a few punches while the guy is stunned. It is a bit large for a fist pack but would probably work for that as well. I don't know about using it for an impact weapon but would if pressed. Any ideas along these lines. Grandpab
12/28/04 2:51 PM
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ryanJ
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I bought my dad one for X-mas as well...of course within 30 seconds we had shone it in our eyes to test the blinding capabilities. I was blown away at how disorienting it was and the one that I bought him was not even the brightest on the market by a long shot. I am going to pick one up for myself soon.
12/29/04 11:22 PM
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jonwell
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Mr Bryant- with the crenellated attachment Ray mentioned, it makes a great impact weapon.
12/30/04 9:57 AM
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Edited: 30-Dec-04
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Surefire is the state of the art for tactical/self defense flashlights. I own several hand helds and have them also attached to duty weapons. The "stun" idea is somewhat overhyped. Disorient is a better word, and needs to be capitalized on with proper tactics or you'll lose the advantage. Try the stun test - sit in a dark room, let your eyes get completely adjusted to the dark, then have a loved one flash the light in your eyes. Especially with the E2e, you won't be in any way incapacitated by the light. With the larger lights it will hurt, you may turn your head away, and your night vision will be washed out, but it would not be "stunning" unless maybe you were under the influence of a drug. I have used it repeatedly in field applications doing exactly this kind of thing and no one was "stunned" by the light. Unless you count cracking him on the melon with it as a "stun"....
12/30/04 10:08 AM
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Now, for disorientation and distraction, there is almost no better tool immediately available for self defense today - when coupled with proper use. Ken Good, who used to be with Surefire and now contracts with them, wrote the book on low light tactics and devised some incredible stuff. Self defense wise, other than to illuminate the threat, you have other options. Briefly, here are some: Shine the light in their eyes and move. Always move. This can be very disorienting for an attacker because they tend to move where they last saw you. Outflank them and do what you have to (continue the fight or run). At very close range flash them in the eyes first then use a self defense technique. Head manipulation/throws are good because they do tend to move their eyes away from the light. You will sometimes get a total surprise reaction (like they are thinking "WTF?") and their eyes shut and you can use this to your advantage. Hit 'em with the light. Light 'em up/then hit 'em with the light. Strobing is a very interesting use. In tactical training, I have strobed people in the eyes while engaging in shooting training rounds against them and been told it made people start feeling sick to their stomach. Against a drunk or someone similar, strobing the light in their eyes while getting distance or moving to a flanking position will probably be more effective, so long as they keep trying to look at you. Ken has designed a new light with a built in auto-strobe feature and other cool stuff that should be in production soon: http://www.night-ops.com/
12/30/04 11:06 AM
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ryanJ
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Agree with TacticalGrappler...the light isn't likely to act as a stand alone defense weapon by any means, but it might buy you that 1/2 second advantage that you could follow up on.
12/30/04 8:48 PM
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We've been using and developing tactics for SureFire lights for the past few years now. SurefIre actually provides us with free lights for our DVDs. There are numerous lights that are great for everyday carry and some that are great for specific purposes. The blinding and impact tactics are important but so is the illumination. I use mine more for commn purposes from night parking lot/ movie theater navigation to lighting up my driveway and more. In Self Preservation training we focus heavily on Disaster Preparedness. We did a whole section in our last DVD on the subject and SureFires play a big part. We have a SureFire page: http://www.demibarbito.com/whitelight.html
12/30/04 8:48 PM
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The CSPT
We've been using and developing tactics for SureFire lights for the past few years now. SurefIre actually provides us with free lights for our DVDs. There are numerous lights that are great for everyday carry and some that are great for specific purposes. The blinding and impact tactics are important but so is the illumination. I use mine more for commn purposes from night parking lot/ movie theater navigation to lighting up my driveway and more. In Self Preservation training we focus heavily on Disaster Preparedness. We did a whole section in our last DVD on the subject and SureFires play a big part. We have a SureFire page: http://www.demibarbito.com/whitelight.html
1/24/05 4:55 PM
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Sam Pai Kenpo
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I've got an E1e Executive Elite (smallest one they make) about 4 months ago and carry it all the time.  I bought my wife the one that has the rough edges for self defense for Christmas.  They are both very well made and incredibly bright for their size.

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