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8/26/05 5:43 PM
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I know they used to have a school in Manhattan NYC. I live in Brooklyn, and noticed theyre opening a school on Ave.U (about a 10 minute walk from where I live). Anybody ever train with these guys? Any info on the system? Thanks!
9/2/05 11:05 PM
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I went and trained sub-wrestling at a vee arnis school in colorado springs. The instructors were both from New York where the american system is based. I believe the art is credited with Phillipino origins. It is entirely a self defense system based on principles like closest weapon to closest target and is mostly standing jujitsu they try and develop reactions to self defense situations. Like if he does this you do this scenarios. I saw some good things and would rate it highly as a self-defense system
7/1/06 3:00 PM
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7/1/06 8:09 PM
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good self defense for street type situations, not really a "MMA" in the sense of competition base
7/3/06 1:26 PM
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I took Vee jujitsu from a guy here in Houston. It was ok stuff, but I wasn't thrilled with the instructor, as he taught 2 styles, TKD and jujitsu, and I only wanted to learn jujitsu. The jujitsu I got through was pretty basic stuff, (basic throws, wrist locks, standing grappling stuff) but I only lasted up to yellow belt.
7/5/06 10:43 AM
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Didn't Moses Powell come from Vee Arnis Jitsu? Jason
7/5/06 2:34 PM
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Yes, Powell, and a whole lot of other skilled guys, came from the same teacher, Prof "V"... he was a very cool guy, when I was a kid, I remember him hanging out in the Chinatown bookstore and he'd always show us dumb kids stuff and would be nice to us
2/27/07 5:37 PM
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It really depends on the teacher and the student. I am a BB under Chaka Zulu and have used Zujitsu against two guys in a bar successfully. He trains a lot of COs, so it has been tested extensively. The leader of the V Arnis system now is David James. He is really intense. But it is not a ground fighting sytem at all, even though there is "ground work".
2/28/07 9:50 AM
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Well it depends. V Arnis, Zujitsu and Sanuces Ryu all have stand up. Either Nisei Gju Karate or some other art. So they can punch, kick or whatever. I guess it depends like most things on the individual and the teacher.
3/18/07 11:59 AM
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Right. He should have learned the escapes and guard a little more. Traditional jiujitsu already has those quick finishes
9/23/07 11:20 AM
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Good article on David James in the Nov.07 "Black Belt"magazine. Interesting.
9/24/07 3:22 PM
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^^^^ To make things even more confusing, there's also Japanese Goju-Ryu, which is different from Okinawan Goju-Ryu.
9/24/07 3:35 PM
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They are all the same/related.  Different emphasis:

 

KANRYO HIGAONNA (1853-1917) NAHA-TE

A historical figure in the martial arts of Okinawa, Kanryo Higaonna was the leading exponent of Naha-te.  During this time the martial arts system took on the name of the city in which the art was practiced. Hence the name Naha-te for Naha City and Shuri-te for the City of Shuri, in Okinawa. The development of karate in Naha City was basically due to the work and influenced of Kanryo Higaonna.

    Higaonna began his martial arts training with Aragaki Seisho (1840-1918) , master of the Monk Fist style for around for 3 1/2 years.  He then started training under the tutelage of Kojo Taitei(1837-1917).  After training with these masters, Higaonna went to China to expand his knowledge in some Chinese systems.  Higaonna stay and studied in the Fukien (Fuzhou) Provence in China for about ten years(1873-1883). In China, Higaonna studied with Masters Wai Xinxian and Xie Zhongxiang.  He studied under Ryuru Ko, who was said to be a master of several Chinese Gung-fu styles. One of which might have been the White Crane Kung fu.  


CHOJUN MIYAGI(1888-1953) GOJU - RYU

 

Master Yamaguchi


GOGEN "THE CAT" YAMAGUCHI (1909-LATE 80's) JAPANESE GOJU-RYU

 

Master Yamaguchi

 

 Master Yamaguchi's association with Master Miyagi proved to be a fruitful one, as he was named successor of the Goju Mantel in Japan.  In the mid 60's, Yamaguchi was successful in unifying all karate dojos into what was then the All Japan Karatedo Organization. Ultimately,Yamaguchi evolved his own personal style called GOJU-SHINTO.

PETER URBAN (1935-PRESENT) USA GOJU


      Chief Grand Patriarch of all American Goju Systems, Peter Urban is credited with training some of the greatest martial arts traditionalist in this generation. Master Urban, while stationed in Japan for eight years with the united States Navy, trained with Prof. Richard Kim, an authority of Okinawan Karate Systems.  Prof. Kim introduced Peter Urban to Masters Yamaguchi (Japanese Goju) and Mas Oyama (Kyokushin Kai).  Receiving his master in both system, Peter Urban, the first American Tenth Dan with his creation of USA GOJU and for being the original propagator of he Goju style in the United States.

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9/24/07 3:35 PM
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FRANK RUIZ (1934-1995) NISEI GOJU-RYU

      Credited for having assembled and trained many of the karate stars on the East Coast of the United states, Hanshi Ruiz used Nisei Goju to foster his personal training method. Many a great karate masters trained to enhance their martial arts with Hanshi Ruiz.  Some of these men were the late Louis Delgado, Malachi Lee, Ronald M. Taganashi. and Thomas "La Puppet" Carol.  Other that also trained with Hanshi Ruiz, were Ron "the Black Dragon" Van Cleef, Chaka Zulu, Earl Monroe, Herbie Thompson,  Bill Wendell, Elsie Roman , Gaynor Gotay, Carlos "Charlie" Cuprill, John Giordano, Robert Perry, Frank Pogliani, Carlos Serrano (Ruiz's first black belt), Jose M. Serrano and Wifredo Roldan (Present Head of Nisei).  Some of these men would form their own martial arts systems.

     Hanshi Ruiz, a student of Peter Urban, was an avid tournament competitor in the early sixties.  One of the fierce fighter of his time, Hanshi Ruiz secured
Championships in Gheez Nation Championships 1963, U.S. International Championships 1964, and undefeated in 186 fights. He would later in 1969 come out of retirement to take the Pan American Kata Championship in Puerto Rico.

      Hanshi Frank Ruiz was a highly decorated war hero of the Korean War (1951-1954).  A member of the United states Marine Corps, Hanshi Ruiz earned the Purple Heart, Silver Star, Bronze Star with the Combat V, Jump Wings, the United Nation Ribbon, and the Presidential Unit Citation.

      Hanshi Ruiz took Goju Karate to its new evolution, NISEI GOJU Hanshi Ruiz developed the "The Spinning Top Principle" based on the centrifugal force
application in combat, i.e., Spinning kick, blocks and hand techniques.  In 1969, along with Master Harry Rosenstein founded the NISEI GOJU SYSTEM. Master Rosenstein would later form his system KANZEN GOJU.  Representation for Nisei spread throughout the United States in New York, Florida, Colorado, New Mexico, New Jersey, Texas, California, US Virgin Island and the Bahamas.

      Hanshi Ruiz dedicated his life to the martial arts, the people he taught, and the community in which he lived. Hanshi Ruiz worked as an  undercover police officer in the virgin island and was instrumental in setting up karate programs for the NY Police Department.  Contributing to the community of the lower east side of Manhattan, Hanshi Ruiz worked in the Hamilton-Madison House community center and was Head Instructor of the UNIVERSITY OF THE STREETS, home of the International Nisei Goju-Ryu Karate-Do World Headquarters.

      A dreary day in July 1970, Hanshi Ruiz was struck by a car traveling at the speed of eighty miles per hour while repairing a flat tire.  With broken legs, arms, ribs, and several skull fractures, Doctors predicted that he wouldn't walk, let alone do martial arts.  Even after braking the pins in his legs, Hanshi Ruiz overcame the odds, discarding the crutches and once again was demonstrating his prowess in the system that he created, NISEI GOJU-RYU.

      Frank Ruiz, the man, the legend, and pioneer of the American Martial Arts Movement retired to Florida in 1979.  At this time, he had appointed then Shihan Wilfredo Roldan the Head Master of the NISEI GOJU-RYU WORLD HEADQUARTERS in New York City.

10/11/07 5:11 PM
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I believe that Peter Urban passed away not that long ago (RIP)

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