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10/1/05 6:25 PM
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This forum is strongly biased towards academic, "scientific" philosophy. I'm not opposed to that kind of philosophy, I actually love it. But lets see the other side. What thinkers have influenced your spiritual outlook the most? Mine: Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana. I think everyone should read their book The Tree of Knowledge.
10/1/05 10:34 PM
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I dunno about influenced but readings that I have found interesting are: Jiddu Krishnamurti's interviews. Tolstoy's Confessions. Nozick's Examined Life. Emile Cioran. Wang Chen's Tao of War is a treatise that tries to gain illumination from combining Sun Tzu's (Art of War) and Lao Tzu's (Tao Te Ching) writings. Link for Tao of War: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0813340810/ ref=pd_sim_b_6/104-5972985-2893502?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance Joan Borysenko is kinda new agey but combines yoga with medical science. I dunno if you classify any of the above as spiritual though. Depends on what you mean I guess.
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The Amazon reviews for that book looks good too Dogbert.
10/2/05 10:54 AM
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Thomas Hardy's "Hap" sums up my miserable ontology: If but some vengeful god would call to me From up the sky, and laugh: Thou suffering thing, Know that thy sorrow is my ecstasy, That thy love's loss is my hate's profiting!? Then would I bear, and clench myself, and die, Steeled by the sense of ire unmerited; Half-eased, too, that a Powerfuller than I Had willed and meted me the tears I shed. But not so. How arrives it joy lies slain, And why unblooms the best hope ever sown? --Crass Casualty obstructs the sun and rain, And dicing Time for gladness casts a moan?. These purblind Doomsters had as readily strown Blisses about my pilgrimage as pain.
10/2/05 2:06 PM
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Nice initiative Dogbert. I didn´t expect this thread from you. See what prejudice can do (hangs head in shame)

 

So, back to the topic. The one that has influenced my spiritual thinking the most is without doubt Martinus. But also Erich Fromm (humanist psychology), the norwegian philosopher Arne Naess, aswell as Ghandi. When I was younger I was pretty influenced by more eastern "thinkers" like Lao Tzu and Musashi and David Bohms coversations with Krishnamurti.

10/2/05 2:14 PM
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Roly_Poly_Puppy: How do you see Cioran. I like his powerful language, but he is a little bit too extreme in his nihilistic version of existentialism. Fudo: Is there some easy material on MArtinus. I have seen some of his articles on the web and found them to be very hard to read.
10/2/05 2:30 PM
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Dogbert, this here is a pretty easy introduction to Martinus most basic thoughts:

http://www.thirdtestament.com/fs_introduktion.html

I suspect that some of the connections with the bible and talk of spiritual Science will give you goosebumps, but atleast it will give you an idea of what it´s about.

10/3/05 7:41 AM
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Thanx I guess this is ready for secularization... ;-)
10/3/05 11:49 AM
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You know you're a science geek when: 1. You don't know how to answer Dogbert's question because you arent even really sure what "spirituality" means or if it applies to any of your world views. -doug-
10/4/05 1:47 PM
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FudoMyoo's list is not so different than what my own would be. Rather than Fromm though I would say Frankl. Rather than Easern thinkers from the East, I would say Eastern thinkers from the West, esp. Herman Hesse.
10/4/05 5:20 PM
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Oh, I love Herman Hesses Siddharta. :)

Imre Kertez is not bad either, there is a subtle kind of spirituality in his books imo.

10/5/05 10:16 PM
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Dogbert, I too like his writing. He comes across as a cynical (to the point of humourous) version of Nietzsche.
10/6/05 3:52 AM
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11/1/05 9:13 AM
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Khalil Gibran http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibtable.html Antoine de St-Exupery My girlfriend, who is extremely spiritual, is heavily influenced by Thomas Merton.
11/10/05 3:35 AM
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Rudolf Otto, Mircea Eliade, Schwaller de Lubicz, and Gustavo Gutierrez.
5/17/06 1:41 PM
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I want to give this thread a ttt because the book Dogbert recommends above by Maturana and Varela, was recommended to me again today by a person that I have alot of trust in. So after two recommendations, it must mean it is interesting and valuable. So I´ll buy it.
5/17/06 3:27 PM
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Ken Wilber anyone? (You should definately read SES, but not the other stuff) Hesse, Gibran, Lao-Zi, Camus, Dostoevsky, Krishnamurti etc.
5/18/06 1:21 AM
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Dostoevsky, Camus, Bergson-Two Sources of Morality and Religion, William James-Varieties of Religious Experience, St. Augustine- Confessions.
5/19/06 11:30 AM
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I have read Wilber.
5/20/06 5:29 PM
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Which book?
5/21/06 6:02 PM
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something with Paradigms and other Paradoxes.. can´t remember the exact title..
5/22/06 3:48 AM
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"The Holographic paradigm and other paradoxes" It´s not his book, but he is the editor. Read Sex, ecology, spirituality which is interesting and refreshing albeit pompous.
5/22/06 4:30 AM
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Yes that was the book. I will check your suggestion at Amazon.
6/1/06 10:44 PM
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"Buddhism Without Beliefs" by Stephen Batchelor reinforced my view that Buddhism - as originally envisioned - is not a religion but has only become so due to cultural accretion. Highly recommended. Ken Wilbur's "A Theory of Everything" initially interested me but my initial interest quickly dwindled to disappointment. His attempted grand unification of knowledge, upon investigation, yields nothing but grandiose claims and vapor. ~d[2]
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A Theory of everything is crap. Read SES to get some interesting and good philosophical as well as ideas about spirituality...

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