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11/7/05 12:21 PM
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Buddhadev
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Edited: 07-Nov-05 12:24 PM
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The current chaos and rioting in Paris is horrifying and disgusting to hear about. It's the ultimate nightmare scenario. But from the carnage comes a valuable lesson: never stop fighting the political movement to take your weapons. During the Rodney King riots in America, inner-city Korean grocery stores owners were able to defend their businesses with AK-47's. I fear for the law-abiding portions of France's population because as the riots spread, they're being caught with their pants down. Something like 3,000 cars have been torched in the chaos. I'll tell you in no uncertain terms that if some thug torched my car or tried to, he'd be face down in the street full of lead faster than you can say "Bernie Goetz." Again, this is a painful, but necessary lesson. I suspect that French socialists and smarmy American bi-coastal urban elites are going to be silent for a while in their usual slams against "gun-owning rednecks." Hey Fuckers, this shit ain't happenning in Switzerland or Idaho! Guess why?
11/7/05 1:55 PM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05 08:34 AM
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Well...All in all you make an intellectual point as always. Im quite certain that YOU would pump someone full of lead , (or at least convince yourself succesfully that you WOULD do that..lol )when you see out the window that someone is lighting up your car. Unfortunately in most normal democracies in the world( i.e. NOT U.S.) you would land your ass in prison for about a decade. Somebody has to attempt to kill you before you can shoot him in this neck of the woods. So the situation in Paris would stay the same, since ordinary people have been only affected through destruction of material,i.e. cars. Bummer, isnt it. I doubt that armed civilians shooting at rioters would have a calming effect any way. Those guys have already shot at police with shotguns and thrown Molotov cocktails at them. What on earth makes you think that the thought of an armed pharmacist is gonna make them call it a day????? Try to use your brains for a chance, in stead of balls. Do you think that some sort of peoples militia would immediately form to rid the streets Punisher-style from all immigrant youths? Thats your idea? Or would the gunowners stay home, scared shitless and at worst fire wildly when they are(or think they are) being "attacked by a mob." Or to be more precise, theyre property would be attacked...Again, prison.Dead bodies. More unrest. A gun does not John Wayne make. P.S. Idaho???LOL. Well, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland dont have home defense guns (definetly not ak´s) OR riots. LA had both. We have worked on society. You guys buy bigger guns.Good luck.
11/8/05 1:17 AM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05
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lol @ LA having CCW's
11/8/05 8:33 AM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05
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Sorry.Editing that.Long night..... Still, I think there was a siqnificant amount of privately owned weapons in LA, which did very little to prevent/stop/well, anything to the riot. A couple of shootings by a korean merchant in the wrong place at the wrong time might have just escalated the problems in that neighborhood...Doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that out.... Weapon CAN protect an individual from harm, and it MIGHT do so without causing additional problems. It doesnt stopt or deter riots.The end.
11/8/05 11:56 AM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05 11:56 AM
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well, i know for a fact that people who posted "armed owner inside" didnt have their places looted during the LA riots no matter how you cut it - better to have a gun and not need it, then need it and not have it
11/8/05 12:20 PM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05 12:22 PM
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Had I lived in LA during the riots...I would of gotten my hands on the biggest ugliest piece of metal that ever spat out bullets. No question about it. Would I have wanted my current drunkard violent neighbor to have one. No. Would it have stopped the riots if everyone had a gun? No. Would it save my car on the street, even with a warning sticker on the window? Maybe. Is that whats needed to stop immigrants in Paris from rioting? Private gunowners and good ole fashioned kill em hippies and commies values.TOUGH on crime I say!!? Yeah sure, just show the slumkids John Wayne movies, teach them to ride, shoot straight and speak the truth and to just say no. Thats it.And buy guns or the english raise those taxes on tea again, or whatever....Things arent that simple, unfortunately... Point was, that the handgun is a poor answer to social problems. Still, I sorta like them........
11/8/05 1:07 PM
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Buddhadev
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Edited: 08-Nov-05 01:11 PM
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finnfighter, thanks for your input. I hope you can keep your temper in check better than you did last time.
Had I lived in LA during the riots...I would of gotten my hands on the biggest ugliest piece of metal that ever spat out bullets. No question about it.
Good to hear it. I wouldn't have wanted you to become the next Reginald Denny. It's clear that what Paris needs is more residents like finnfighter. It's unfortunate that parts of Europe still have pro-criminal self-defense laws. I think a culture of more gun-ownership would effect the political movement necessary to change that.
What on earth makes you think that the thought of an armed pharmacist is gonna make them call it a day?????
Because rounds from a pharmacist's or anyone else's gun are just as deadly as those from some 18-year-old thug's gun. Because the pharmacist or other civilian is fighting for himself/his family/his life's work and not just because it's his job to fight (like it is with cops). And because cops are overwhelmed having to look after everyone. An armed civilian needs only to worry about himself and his family. And I also think so because of this event--the greatest, most uplifting bit of news from the LA riots. I would LOVE to have seen the looks on the faces of those thugs as they were shown the business ends of M-16's. Finally, a dead rioting thug can't become a repeat rioting thug.
11/8/05 1:53 PM
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Edited: 08-Nov-05 03:29 PM
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But would the existance of weapons make the riot end one second earlier LOLOL? I mean how many weapons does it take? LA was pretty damn bad...Its not exactly a great example of private gunownership preventing riots. Are we talking about the same issue here? YOU CLAIM that because people have weapons at home in Switzerland, they dont have riots....LA DID have weapons...A lot.You dont have a point. Youre oversimplifying in the great tradition of Jorg Haider, Le Pen, Reagan, NRA and every other god damned nut...Just shoot em. Then theyll stop. Damn niggers. Societies dont work like that. Do you ever think why nations whose views on crime and gunownership are furthest from yours, have the least problems concerning homicide and , well, f.ex. riots....???? Cause we know how to take care of a society. It takes an above average IQ and the ability to distance one-self from childhood cowboy movies where shooting one bad guy ended all problems... And I fail to see the point in digging up old threads. Yeah, I trolled. And you revealed that you have an...interesting world inside your head. You thought that in the socialist Finland its illegal to own guns f.ex....Thats just weird..where is it exactly. In England its practically impossible, but thats about it....??And openly admitted to being in the extreme right wing in your views, on par with semi-nazis like Haider whom you apparently revere greatly.. B.tw. You are aware that rioters have shot at police with shotguns in several cities? What stops them from continuing with the destruction even if folks had them guns? They´re shooting at armed riot police for gods sake!!!!!! The knowledge that some people whos cars their burning might have a handgun isnt a factor in a riot. Europeans have a long trackrecord of fighting in the streets againsta armed soldiers/militia/police. In Finland and Russia in the beginning of 1900´s demonstrators fought barehanded against mounted cossacks armed with sabers.It even Sounds stupid and looks ugly. And They werent on methampethamins.(well...probably not..maybe drunk? lol) Again, possibility of coming in to contact with a homemaker with her husbands .380 doesnt change anyones plans when the "thing" starts growing, fueled with peer pressure, rage and sometimes drugs.Riot isnt a one mans decision, its an organism with its own laws, and its motivated. Private guns dont stop it. Even the thought is ridiculous.Absurd.
11/15/05 2:55 PM
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Edited: 15-Nov-05
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"Had I lived in LA during the riots...I would of gotten my hands on the biggest ugliest piece of metal that ever spat out bullets. No question about it." I think that a lot of other people had exactly the same idea... at the same time. The key is getting it before it's needed and knowing how to use it effectively. It's not about ending riots, at least for me. It's about protecting friends and family. There is nothing really to get excited about. I feel sorry for the good people that are forced to defend themselves with boiling water and broomsticks because they never thought things could go so terribly wrong.

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