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1/24/06 4:48 AM
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Hoping to get the same insights on this card this forum has been having lately. My thoughts and predictions of odds: Chuck Liddell -191 Randy Couture +177 (already set) pick: couture... I think randy learned his lesson and will talk a lot about having to strike in order to take chuck down, but by strike, I think it's going to be a MUCH more low risk punch-to-takedown than the last fight... I think this fight will resemble the more classic style vs style fights of old than what randy was trying to prove previously by showing how much he has evolved as a striker... Frank Mir -160 Marcio Cruz +130 pick: cruz... though I think the line will be higher on Mir, being that he was teh champ and the extent of cruz's bjj background is unknown to most of the UFC audience, I think this is fight of two one dimensional fighters with cruz being the better grappler of the two... I think it's A LOT to ask of Mir to come back after a layoff and fight someone of Cruz's skill... it almost seems too dangerous as I thought dana was hyping a mir vs arvolski unification match... that scares me as I really believe the fight will go to the ground and mir will gas out and cruz will get a decision... I just can't see how cruz can lose against mir... Renato Sobral -240 Mike Van Arsdale +220 pick: babalu!!... arsdale is tough but I think outclassed in every aspect of MMA by babalu... I see this fight going to a clinch and babs getting the advantage and then scrambling to a sub late in the first or second round... this fight sets up bab's title shot against the winner of randy vs chuck... Alessio Sakara -185 Elvis Sinosic +165 pick: sakara... though a fan, elvis just didn't show me anything in the forrest match and I think is being used as somewhat of a gatekeeper for this division... sakara is the type of fighter I also believe the UFC would like to promote... Brandon Vera -180 Justin Eilers +170 pick: vera.... I think vera will get the takedown and school eilers on the ground... vera comes from a great coach in lloyd irvin who is extremely good at mentally preparing his fighters and has shown decent enough stand up that he won't walk into anything silly... Paul Buentello -210 Gilbert Aldana +190 pick: buentello.... don't know anything about aldana, so am guessing here... from the looks of aldana's record though, this should be a slugfest... would definitely go with the under if joey offers props... Jeff Monson - 360 Branden Lee Hinkle +320 pick: monson.... don't see how hinkle will keep monson from taking him down, getting an earful of anarchy bullshit and getting neck cranked or keylocked.... biggest mismatch on the card... wouldn't want any bets on monson... Nick Diaz -185 Joe Riggs +160 pick: diaz... can't see riggs hanging with diaz on the ground, nor being that much better standing up that he could put nick away... I think nick will pull off a nice sub in this fight and get his name back in the hunt... aight, looking forward to what everyone else has to say...
1/24/06 8:21 PM
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im loving Randy @ + 177 or anything above Diaz is also a decent bet, i think hes gonna beat Riggs Vera is the other fight that interests me, with Eilers getting a title shot, alot of people might bet him just based on that alone, if they do, im gonna be all over Vera i wont be touching any of the others as i think the favs will be victoriuos Monson will beat Hinkle and will be a heavy fav Babalu should beat MVA and probably will be aheavy fav doing it Sakara looked like he has sick skills, i dont think elvis is gonna match up well with him at all...but once again, im expecting him to be bet heavy depending on the lines , i will probably be betting the 3 fights i mentioned up above but if some surprises arise, i will gladly jump on good odds
1/24/06 8:25 PM
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i agree pwn....i like Monson for the win, but i think hes gonna be a heavy fav and unless its worth the wager, i wont be touching that fight
1/24/06 8:30 PM
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sweet...im gonna do some minor research , see whats up thanks alot i like comparing the odds of different places i find it helps
1/24/06 10:59 PM
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good comments, guys... keep them coming... didn't know a lot about hinkle, but it looks like I was pretty off on that one... all my favs are pretty high compared to the vegas line (thanks for the line)... being that's the case though, I will hit them hard if the off-shore books post similar opening lines cause I do believe it's mostly another favs night in the UFC... far as pano de pano... yeah, his conditioning is a factor, but I've known too many heavyweight BJJ'ers that don't have the build but have all the stamina in the world... I can't see mir outgassing him.. I've loving that dawg... interested to see what joey, fightingmajor, ommaplata and surfin joe have to say as well...
1/25/06 9:09 AM
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I like them all except vera and diaz, especially if those turn out to be the odds.
1/30/06 9:19 AM
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Where do you guys bet i can only find tandy chuck fight on pinnacle.com
1/30/06 12:27 PM
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whats going on here? all of the threads have been cut in half has someone been banned?
1/30/06 2:34 PM
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57's Odds just got sent out. I imagine they will be up sometime this afternoon.
1/30/06 3:12 PM
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"whats going on here? all of the threads have been cut in half has someone been banned? " ya, i'ts me. i've been banned.
1/30/06 3:18 PM
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No clue.  I just noticed myself.  Very possible the mods banned spammers of non advertising companies.  Cant blame them if they did considering most dont even buy blue names.  Buts thats just a guess.
1/30/06 3:20 PM
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UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Heavyweights

Sat 2/4 Frank Mir vs Marcio Cruz
08:00 PM 23 Frank Mir -250
  24 Marcio Cruz +230
Sat 2/4 Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs Mike Van Arsdale
07:00 PM 25 Renato "Babalu" Sobral -260
  26 Mike Van Arsdale +240
Sat 2/4 Barndon Vera vs Justin Eilers
07:00 PM 27 Barndon Vera -220
  28 Justin Eilers +200
Sat 2/4 Paul Buentello vs Gilbert Aldano
07:00 PM 29 Paul Buentello -220
  30 Gilbert Aldano +200
Sat 2/4 Jeff Monson vs Brandon Lee Hinkle
05:00 PM 33 Jeff Monson -245
  34 Brandon Lee Hinkle +225
Sat 2/4 Mike Whitehead vs Kieth Jardine
05:00 PM 37 Mike Whitehead +100
  38 Kieth Jardine -110

UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Light Heavyweights

Sat 2/4 Alessio Sakara vs Elvis Sinosic
05:00 PM 35 Alessio Sakara -400
  36 Elvis Sinosic +360

UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: UFC Lightheavyweight Championship

Sat 2/4 Chuck Liddell vs Randy Couture
08:30 PM 21 Chuck Liddell -188
  22 Randy Couture +173

UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Welterweights

Sat 2/4 Nick Diaz vs Joe Riggs
07:00 PM 31 Nick Diaz -210
  32 Joe Riggs +190
1/30/06 3:21 PM
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^^^^^LOL...huh? i thought i noticed all of your posts were gone but how did you get unbanned so quickly?
1/30/06 3:23 PM
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thats odd. maybe some dumbass did ban me......... now that would really be something..........

 

I have made some open comments about theUFC that maybe offensive if the truth hurts, but nothing over the line.  lol

1/30/06 3:30 PM
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man this forum is messed up ive posted 3 or 4 different times and they still havent showed fish, how did you get unbanned so quickly?
1/30/06 3:51 PM
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Oh, I thought I was banned. lol

Ur confusing me HeADButt. 

Numbers are moving already........

UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Heavyweights
Sat 2/4 Frank Mir vs Marcio Cruz
08:00 PM 23 Frank Mir -250
  24 Marcio Cruz +230
Sat 2/4 Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs Mike Van Arsdale
07:00 PM 25 Renato "Babalu" Sobral -260
  26 Mike Van Arsdale +240
Sat 2/4 Barndon Vera vs Justin Eilers
07:00 PM 27 Barndon Vera -220
  28 Justin Eilers +200
Sat 2/4 Paul Buentello vs Gilbert Aldano
07:00 PM 29 Paul Buentello -220
  30 Gilbert Aldano +200
Sat 2/4 Jeff Monson vs Brandon Lee Hinkle
05:00 PM 33 Jeff Monson -245
  34 Brandon Lee Hinkle +225
Sat 2/4 Mike Whitehead vs Kieth Jardine
05:00 PM 37 Mike Whitehead +109
  38 Kieth Jardine -119
UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Light Heavyweights
Sat 2/4 Alessio Sakara vs Elvis Sinosic
05:00 PM 35 Alessio Sakara -388
  36 Elvis Sinosic +348

UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: UFC Lightheavyweight Championship
Sat 2/4 Chuck Liddell vs Randy Couture
08:30 PM 21 Chuck Liddell -188
  22 Randy Couture +173
UFC 57-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV: Welterweights
Sat 2/4 Nick Diaz vs Joe Riggs
07:00 PM 31 Nick Diaz -201
  32 Joe Riggs +181

1/31/06 7:48 AM
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apparently they decided a global deletion of every post was sufficient. not sure really as i've received no explanation.
1/31/06 10:12 AM
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lol. you're so blue you're black
1/31/06 4:25 PM
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I opened with a strong opinion on Diaz and Sakara.
1/31/06 6:18 PM
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"$20/year ain't worth being able to post html though." i agree completely, but i thought it was thirty bucks here?
2/1/06 3:14 PM
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Riggs is a steal at those odds.
2/1/06 4:03 PM
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Riggs is a steal at those odds.

the banks open and you dont need a mask.

2/1/06 4:37 PM
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riggs is a good play imo. i think diaz is a much more well rounded fighter but probably not as strong/aggressive as doerksen who has a very similar fighting style to diaz imo. diaz is also light for ww and riggs should be much bigger, diaz won't be able to pull the same lawler style punking on riggs, or at least he would be kind of foolish to try it because that is precisely where riggs has his biggest advantage. diaz has been rocked hard in each of his fights against jackson, sanchez, lawler etc but i don't think any of them hit as hard as riggs probably does, or at least says he does if someone would bother to stand with him anyway lol. sure riggs got tooled by hughes but how many people have survived hughes take down? riggs should win this one. glad i got him as a dog.
2/1/06 5:47 PM
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with these odds I like MVA Branden Lee Hinkle Elvis Randy Diesel that being said, dogs under Joey's lines do not have the best winning record
2/1/06 8:51 PM
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Because of the success rate of favorites over the past year and a half or so in MMA, the linesmakers and the betters are over inflating them pretty badly at this point. Based on probability, it makes sense to really start looking for the live dogs(who can win)near term.

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