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2/9/06 9:53 AM
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warfrog
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looks like the iowa ath commissioner is trying to get the sport banned again. anyone see it in the paper the other day? john halverson was also telling me about it last night. anyone know the guys name? he seems to have a hard on for banning the sport.
2/9/06 10:23 AM
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maybe he'll die if we are lucky!
2/9/06 1:08 PM
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it was in yesterdays des moines register. monte cox was quoted in there, and when i spoke to john halverson last night, who is putting on a show this weekend, he said chad bergamier was there, victory jay was there as was monte cox and a few senators on our behalf. it has me worried.
2/9/06 1:09 PM
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when i spoke of all those promoters at one place, it was at a hearing here in des moines wednesday night.
2/9/06 2:32 PM
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Me too, if they ban events, does that mean no training too? Or just actual fights?
2/9/06 5:03 PM
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they couldnt ban training! that would be against your constitutional rights! : ) i imagine we would have to revert back to 'amatuer events' or some such... or have underground fights. its complete idiocy on the part of the commisioner. his concern really isnt about fighter safety, because if it was, and he seems to be saying it is, he would try to get the sport more under his thumb so he could watch it more closely and make sure the fighters are safe. much like they do in boxing. the true issue is about money and them not being able to get money out of it like they do boxing.
2/9/06 11:04 PM
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DES MOINES -- A bill moving through the Iowa Legislature would take the state out of the business of regulating mixed martial arts -- also known as ultimate fighting, extreme fighting or shootfighting -- because of worries the state could be on the hook financially if someone is killed or hurt in the sport. State Labor Commissioner and Athletic Commissioner Dave Neil is advocating that the state no longer regulate the ultimate fighting matches as it does for boxing. "Fortunately, we've not seen anybody hurt in the ring to the degree where they've required hospitalization," Neil said. But he said Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller has advised him the state could be liable if someone was seriously injured or killed in one of the matches. "My interest is to protect the taxpayers," Neil said. He said the state currently has "minimal" rules for mixed martial arts and no national organization governs the sport, as in boxing. Neil said the sport can cause emotional reactions in crowds, where fights have broken out during matches. And he said when promoters don't pay the fighters, there was no state regulation of the amateur fights, which makes some lawmakers leery. Quad-City mixed martial arts promoter Monte Cox is against the deregulation idea. "If they were to deregulate the sport, those training in the state would essentially be training for an illegal event," Cox said. "I think they're going to find a way to stop amateur shows. You can hear about these shows and there's nothing you can do to stop them right now." State Rep. Mike May, a Spirit Lake Republican, said he won't support a bill that takes the state completely out of regulating the sport. He fears that would mean it would continue in Iowa without any oversight. "I'm not going to vote for the bill to deregulate it, because then we have this animal running loose in the state of Iowa with no control upon it at all," May said. He's hoping lawmakers can find some type of common ground that would give the athletic commissioner's office the resources it needs to adequately oversee the competitions. "It's a very difficult thing to monitor, to see that the rules are followed," May said. State Rep. Jamie Van Fossen, a Davenport Republican and mixed martial arts fan, said he hopes any legislation passed this year doesn't negatively affect what he believes can be a safe sport. "The ones I've seen, they've got a paramedic on duty, and there are rules and regulations," he said. State Rep. Paul Wilderdyke, R-Woodbine, said worries over amateurs getting injured are the reason some legislators are looking for ways to ban or restrict amateur matches. "People are getting hurt. There's no rules, no referees, no regulations," he said. Wilderdyke wants mixed martial arts held to the same standards as boxing, including having a doctor on site for the fights. And he would prefer seeing fights between amateurs completely banned. Charlotte Eby can be reached at (515) 243-0138 or chareby@aol.com. Neil wants state to disassociate itself from sport By Sean Moeller
2/9/06 11:05 PM
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QUAD-CITY TIMES Iowa Athletic Commissioner Dave Neil said he isn't trying to kick the sport of mixed martial arts out of the state, but he is trying to get it out of his hair. Neil, appointed the athletic commissioner in May, also is the commissioner of the Labor Services Division of Iowa Workforce Development, which is responsible for a dozen programs "designed to protect the safety, health and economic security of all Iowans." His concerns about the liability issues of mixed martial arts, which has an extensive history in the Quad-Cities, were addressed Tuesday night at the state capitol in Des Moines. He would prefer that the state disassociate itself with the sport and allow it to regulate itself, saying he doesn't have the resources or time to manage the sport himself. "I'm in charge of administering an agency," Neil said Wednesday. "To put it in perspective, I'm in charge of where hazardous chemicals from hospitals are stored. Shootfighting isn't very high on my list. "What we've got today, in this state, is an inadequate regulation of this sport ... well, the people promoting it call it a sport. There's no national federation governing it. I say take the state of Iowa out of it and let the sport regulate itself. Some people don't see eye-to-eye. It's up to the legislators now. If they decide that they want to regulate it, they're going to have to equip me with the resources to do that." Neil said that the extensive rules in the states of Nevada and New Jersey -- where the country's largest Ultimate Fighting Championship shows are staged -- are ones that Iowa would be wise to adopt if legislators support backing mixed martial arts on more than an amateur level. "What I've read on them, which is only in the last 48 hours, shows that there is a lot more regulation," Neil said of the Nevada rules. Nevada licenses contestants and requires extensive physical examinations, involving hepatitis and HIV tests, and MRIs. "Someone has to keep track of all that. Do they want to spend tax dollars on that? The legislators told me that they don't, but I've got to have people to do that," Neil said. Quad-City promoter Monte Cox, who is bringing a mixed martial arts show to The Mark of the Quad-Cities on Feb. 17, attended Tuesday's meeting with Rep. Joe Hutter of Bettendorf. Cox said that he left the meeting feeling positive. "It really went well, better than we could have expected,'' Cox said. "We had a couple of House members on our side. We're going to continue to have MMA in Iowa. I wasn't really pessimistic going in, just frustrated. I got a call from Joe Hutter and he told me not to worry. When I got there I ran into another representative (Clel Baudler of Greenfield), whose son Joe fought for me years ago. He said, 'I'm going to the meeting now.' "I don't think (Neil) likes the sport, but you don't have to like something. I'm sure there are people in his position who don't like women's field hockey and that's fine. You don't have to ban it." Cox admits the current rules are outdated and need to be amended. The amateur shows that have popped up throughout the state don't abide by those rules, which provide more safety to competitors. "If I'm a promoter and I wanted to have a show where I added head stomps (not legally allowed), I can do it,'' Cox said. "There's no one to tell me I can't. There's no one to stop it. I've run amateur shows and I do them right. One of the House people asked me 'Have you seen these rules?' and I said, 'Yes, sir, I wrote them -- 11 years ago.' "They don't seem that complete now, but we did put some rules to the sport. We were ahead of our time. In general, they're functional, but they should be rewritten. I'm sure that the boxing rules of 1940 probably aren't that applicable any more either." There is more to be discussed and considered before a final verdict is rendered. "The guy running the meeting was very fair. He said, 'This isn't going to go away. We've got to find a way to work with it,'" Cox said. "And he's right. We'd look silly pulling the plug on it when we were one of the first states to get it going." Sean Moeller can be contacted at (563) 383-2288 or at smoeller@qctimes.com.
2/9/06 11:08 PM
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danny A
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Some good comments from Monte. I've heard the AC people complain for a while now that there is no money for them to do their job. An idea I've had to provide funding for the sport is to have the venues pay a $0.05 tax on every drink sold at MMA event. When places like Harrah's casino sell $27,000 in drink sales for a VFC then some of that money can go back into our sport.
2/15/06 9:18 AM
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No way Danny, that is an extra 2 bucks out of my pocket by the end of the night!
2/23/06 6:47 PM
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Mainstream MMA is looking for a middleweight to fight in C.R. on March 25. Must be able to make 190 lbs. If you are interested contact Bryan at expressmma@yahoo.com
3/3/06 12:42 PM
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Now their making it illegal for anyone under 18 to attend events.
3/14/06 11:08 PM
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whats up britt i got a fight this weekend in chicago. nunn
3/27/06 3:18 PM
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warfrog
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hey nunn, how did it go? i am only 13 days late
4/2/06 12:50 PM
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So wheres this horsehit legislation at? I'm glad I'll have sealed me ticket out of this state in case this shit does go through. Someone keep us updated.
8/2/06 11:10 PM
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whats up with this?

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