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2/20/06 6:15 PM
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Dark Knight
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ellivville, because its not ordinary it should be banned?
2/20/06 6:30 PM
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Dark Knight - yes, I think so. It's way way more powerful than anything else on the market. You can't use it for hunting and you can't use it for self defence either (other than against pirate ships). It's meant to be used against vehicles and IMO the use of anti-vehichle armament should be reserved to the law enforcement / military.
2/20/06 6:40 PM
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Only 5 percent of gun owners actually hunt. Most shoot for fun. Many compete. The 50 cal has an organization for competition. And they feel its just fun to shoot. In the 80 years that the 50 cal has been around it has only been misued once. But you see no use for it so it should be banned. Why have superbikes, or a car that goes over 70. Ciggaretts should be banned long before any guns, look how many die each year.
2/20/06 6:43 PM
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support the NRA and the second amendment.
2/20/06 6:45 PM
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As a side note on the NRA, I see the biggest support for them on the Democratic Underground. I dont know why elected Democrats are so anti gun when their supporters are pro gun
2/20/06 6:55 PM
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Dark Knight
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elli, just because you "Feel" its an unessesary round does not mean it should be banned. Here in the USA we get to choose what what want. (But that is going away)
2/20/06 7:09 PM
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Dark Knigt - believe me, I know that the .50 is really, really fun to shoot, and that is the reason people like the weapon (and the fact that it has monster power). However, people would probably like to shoot bazookas for fun if it was legal (it isn't ...right?). I still think that the caliber is too powerful for any civilian use and should be reserved for law enforcement / military. White347LX. What I meant was that eventhough the .50BMG can be used for hunting, it's like triple overkill for any animal out there, including elephants. Yes, you can use it for hunting, but IMO using the 50BMG to shoot bears, elk or moose is just the same as using a .338 for birds.
2/20/06 7:26 PM
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80 years and only misused once. Why ban it? The 338 Lupa is a better sniper round, has better accuracy at 1 mile. The 300 Winchester mag, 475? All these big rounds, are they next?
2/20/06 7:29 PM
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White, less than 5% of us gun owners hunt
2/21/06 1:04 AM
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elliville, many people, including a few friends and relatives of mine, use the 50 BMG to hunt deer with. It doesn't not destroy the animal in anyway or damage the meat. It's a practical round for hunting and is gaining popularity.
2/21/06 1:26 AM
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ellivville - why not ahoot a bazooka for fun in a safe, controled enviornment - just like the places that allow you to shoot a MA-DUCE, FLAME THROWER, OR WHATEVER - all on a range, and under controled conditions
2/21/06 3:05 AM
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SREITER - BECAUSE IT'S SCARY AND IN MOVIES!!!
2/21/06 12:54 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5820322807673807576&q=sniper lol that vid is a complete fake
2/21/06 1:02 PM
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That video is a varmint hunting video. I believe that is a Rock Chuck getting shot.
2/21/06 1:32 PM
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1) The .50 is totally inappropriate for anything but military use. There's just no reason to have anything this powerful. If you allow a .50, you might as well allow RPG's because they're "fun to shoot" as well. It's not a self-defense weapon. It's not a hunting weapon. The only thing it's useful for is destroying vehicles and punching through cover. Saying it's "fun to shoot" is a rationale for its legality is completely insane. Can I buy a surplus artillary piece if I give my word of honor I'll only fire it off in the Nevada desert? I swear. I should be allowed to. It's fun to shoot. 2) The .50 is also unlikely to ever be used in the commision of a crime because it's too frickin' expensive, too frickin' big to hide and would probably end up hanging on a wall if some criminal bought it instead of being used. So you're basically balancing two things.
2/21/06 4:14 PM
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If I could afford to shoot an RPG I would. But like the .50BMG, too expensive. And now there is an alternative in Cali.
2/22/06 1:21 AM
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FlashGordon, the 50 BMG is an effective AND popular hunting round. As I posted before, it does not destroy the animal in anyway. Using that very same logic, one could argue against any caliber of bullet other than the .22LR round. Then after that, "Why do you need to go hunting? Can't you just go to the supermarket?" Thus completing the feminzation of men. Squatdog: First we have to define what firearm means. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, if 1 person can pick it up and carry it and it's not explosive (explosive != firearm) then they should be able to have it. When the law was established, however, it was difficult to imagine what types of weapons would be available today.
2/22/06 5:31 AM
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"In the 80 years that the 50 cal has been around it has only been misued once." lol @ that nonsense. Are you the same dofus who used to say the 50 cal had NEVER been used in a crime?
2/22/06 6:19 AM
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Squatdog, once you enforce the letter of the law, you loose the spirit of the law. I'm sure your paranoid about civil liberties ass can comprehend that.
2/22/06 7:21 AM
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Gambling is illegal in my area, but should be break in on every 5 man poker party that's being held in someones kitchen on Friday nights? No. That's my point.
2/23/06 1:53 AM
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Lisa: Dad! The Second Amendment is just a remnant from revolutionary days. It has no meaning today! Homer: You couldn?t be more wrong, Lisa. If I didn?t have this gun, the king of England could just walk in here anytime he wants and start shoving you around. [pushing Lisa] Do you want that? [pushing her harder] Huh? Do you? Seriously, the .50 cal Barrett sniper rifle is definately not a hunting rifle. It goes through everything. A month ago I shot it thru a three inch thick steel plate. Fun, yes. Hunting, no.
2/23/06 2:42 AM
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Can someone explain to me why it's not an effective round for hunting?
2/23/06 2:56 AM
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Oh, and JKDude, you're probably full of shit. The Army Military MOUT manual says "At 35 meters distance, a .50 round will go through 1" armor plate." So, that's about 40 feet you were away from the "3 inch armor steel plate" and that's the furthest rated distance the round can penetrate 1" inch armor - 115 feet. 40 feet is not an effective sniping distance. And that is considering, of course, that it did actually penetrate 3 inches of armor.
2/23/06 4:50 AM
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Yep, 3 inches. We did a study for the FET office to determine the penetration ability of different calibers against steel plate. 7.62, 5.56, RPGs, and recoiless rifle rounds. Interesting results. Edit- Oh, and it isn't a good hunting round because it will destroy animals. The 50 cal for hunting bear is not the same as a 50 cal sniper round.
2/23/06 6:43 AM
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I'm definitely calling BS now. First of all, a .50 is a .50 regardless of who makes it. The round is the same size and the only things that vary are things like grain count and rifle it was fired from. Also, I find it amazing that the military, which purchased it for it's capabilites, finds that it can only penetrate 1" steel at 35 meters and you managed to prove that it penetrates 3" steel at whatever range you supposedly fired it from. What were the distances that you fired it from? Also, what did you find with the 7.62? And which 7.62s did you fire out of which rifles? Can you give me the name of the rifle you fired that supposedly penetrated this 3" steel? Explain the difference between the .50 sniper round and the .50 that's used to kill bears. The .50 does not destroy animals at all. You're absolutely misinformed if you believe that. I've seen animals shot by .50 and the only difference it made was that the hunter actually killed them with the first shot and they didn't have to track the animal down. For it destroying animals, there sure are a lot of hunters out there using it and, as a matter of fact, most western states prefer hunters to use the .50 for long range hunting. Face facts. The .50 has been around since WW1 and isn't the uber-caliber that all of it's opponents make it out to be. From the way you people talk, it sounds like it's a 38mm anti-aircraft gun that people can easily conceal in their coat pocket and snipe at kids from a bell tower.

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