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5/17/06 8:04 PM
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I never read her books. Where can I find an outline of her ideas? What is her take on religion? I heard she was against US involvment in ww II. What was that about? What would Ayn Rand followers today say about the US in the middle east? About Israel/Palestine?
5/18/06 6:51 AM
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Indrek R.
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I read a bit about her yesterday. Some ideas are interesting but if you read her folks they are completely ignorant of other philosophy and they are just nutcases with their constant straw men and hammering away with rhetoric and no real arguments. See for instance: http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_fv Complete bullshit I would say. Or the articles there against the environmental and animal ethics written by supposedly people with Ph. D (in what is the question, cause they are as dumb as they get based on those articles). And the fact is that so many people take her work seriously cause she claims to write for the layman is even more sad.
5/18/06 9:14 PM
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Can you refute objectivism?
5/19/06 3:18 AM
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Indrek R.
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Which part of it? Objectivist ethics - no problem refuting this. I am not that familiar with the other stuff.
5/19/06 5:03 AM
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I think it´s too incoherent to be even wrong. ;-)
5/20/06 4:06 PM
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Objectivists use self-interest as an ethical system. What's wrong with that?
5/20/06 5:28 PM
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No. The objectivist ethics starts from the claim that life is the absolute and objective value - which is obviously just wrong.
5/22/06 3:05 AM
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Did she say that or is that what her critics claimed she believed?? Why is it considered wrong?
5/22/06 4:31 AM
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Indrek R.
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Well for objectivists it is almost like a fact issue - "every organism wants to preserve their life so life is absolute value". First of all it is not true as a fact, at least humans value other stuff more than just preserving their life on many occasions. Secondly claiming it to be the universal value is getting caught under Hume´s guillotine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist_ethics for the ideas that I have about Rand see the Wikipage which has an overview of her teaching
5/22/06 7:18 PM
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"t least humans value other stuff more than just preserving their life on many occasions." suicidebombers has proved that point beyond doubt..
5/23/06 5:06 AM
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Indrek R.
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Yep.
5/23/06 11:59 AM
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Humans do value other stuff more than their own life...but should they? I personally do not. Studies on happiness have shown that the happiest people are people who help others. Think about times when you are really happy, are you more likely to be nice or mad? I think it has to do with the fact that if you are helping other people you tend to focus less on your own problems. So I don't think always being self-interested is the best way to live life even for you own self-interest.
5/23/06 3:52 PM
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There is a difference btw valuing only the continuing of life versus the quality of life and etc.
5/24/06 6:02 PM
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What is the correct philosophy on valuing life then? Obviously, it isn't Objectivism according to you guys.
5/24/06 6:25 PM
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I just noticed this..."suicidebombers has proved that point beyond doubt.." But those dudes have been brainwashed into killing themselves. The Koran forbids suicide, but some SB's have been brainwashed to think suicide is ok AS LONG as it's for Jihadic purposes. So under normal conditions, I think ALL humans want to preserve their life if they can help it.
5/24/06 6:26 PM
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Might be so. But people have a choice not to. Ergo life isn´t an objective value. You cannot say someone is living badly or doing something wrong if they do not value their life. They have a choice. No objective values. As simple as that. P.S I am really gonna write about this soon...
5/30/06 12:36 PM
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ayn rand was a poser and a laughable hypocrite. alot of nietzsche warmed over, misunderstood, diluted, and inverted.
5/30/06 9:41 PM
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"No objective values. As simple as that." Is that an objective value?
5/31/06 3:05 AM
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No... there is no contradiction in there...
5/31/06 11:19 AM
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Ayn Rand is GOD!
5/31/06 11:23 AM
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LOL!

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