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8/14/06 10:20 PM
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Edited: 14-Aug-06
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I paid $2000 in 1997 to train with VU for the weekend. My first impression of VU was that he was unprepared for the weekend of training. First day of training was cut short, he sent me to my motel room with a couple of his videos to watch. Vu's reason, something to do with his mother? ( after several years of hanging around PFS I now know what this excuse means ). Second day we trained in VU's garage a few hours , then he was done again to soon, he was spent. Then we went out to eat chinese food. I paid $2000 for about 6 hours of training and a free chinese meal. Did I mention I live in the Bay area with the best chinese food in CA. I was burned for $2000, did I learn my lesson NO I kept going to his camps, seminars etc, etc etc, my bad. I say this buyer be-ware. I learned from Demi,Scott Ferriera,Rory, Adam, Ron Baliki, etc,etc, thanks gents, OH and Matts Thortons SBG articles very enlightning, thanks for you honesty Matt. I received an apprentice, phase 1 and knife certificate from VU's pfs, means nothing compared to the good honest instructors/coaches I met along the way. I gained so much respect for the good people I met directly or indirectly through my pfs experience. Did I mention that all the good honest people I mentioned are no longer afiliated with pfs. By the way I make my living as an electrician and recently passed my electrical contractors test so now I make $70 an hour. I teach and train for the love of the training , and try to keep the training as real as possible. Remember as in any purchase , buyer be-ware. Luis Ortiz
8/15/06 9:14 PM
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Edited: 15-Aug-06 09:14 PM
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Damn! That sucks! And I wanted to learn some Kino Mutai stuff.
8/15/06 11:56 PM
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Dude, ask Roy Harris your Kino Mutai questions (or as one of my students calls it, "Hakuna Matata"). I've been bitten by him a number of times, and it's not fun (he was being NICE about it, too).
8/16/06 1:14 AM
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ttoes, Cool! Hope to attend a seminar once Roy goes back here in the East coast.
8/16/06 5:44 PM
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Edited: 16-Aug-06
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WHISPERS WROTE: "My first impression of VU was that he was unprepared for the weekend of training. First day of training was cut short, he sent me to my motel room with a couple of his videos to watch." ------------------------ These are the same videos that he now wants everyone to boycott!!! WHISPERS WROTE: "Vu's reason, something to do with his mother? ( after several years of hanging around PFS I now know what this excuse means )." ----------------------------------- We all know what this means - this is why people always depart from Vunak. He uses you for whatever $$$$ he can get, then F##Ks you over. WHISPERS WROTE: "Second day we trained in VU's garage a few hours , then he was done again to soon, he was spent." ---------------------------------------------- Need anyone say more??? WHISPERS WROTE: "I was burned for $2000, did I learn my lesson NO I kept going to his camps, seminars etc, etc etc, my bad. I say this buyer be-ware. ------------------------------------------- Yeah, only to see the same old SH*T over and over again. I personally am FNING tired of the straight blast, and whatever stupid A$$ traps are associated with it. Hell - even the videos are the sam crap over and over again. --------------------------------- WHISPERS WROTE: "I learned from........... ---------------------------------- There are many to ACTUALLY learn from out there ----- especially the ones who got smart and sh&t canned Vunak! My opinion of the boycott is that it is another ploy by Vunak to deter attention from him to something else. Why does he always sh%t talk other people. Possibly because of his own ignorance and jealousy. MY OPINION (and I know opinions are like...) is that any certification by Vunak should be discounted by 99%. He gives them out like candy.
8/20/06 7:42 PM
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Edited: 20-Aug-06
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From today's NY Times -------------------------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/fashion/20fight.html?ex=1156737600&en=61d2c2119d112e44&ei=5070&emc=eta1 Jim Arvanitis demonstrates a guillotine choke hold on Porter Dodge, his friend and former student. By WARREN ST. JOHN Published: August 20, 2006 LAST November, William Graham was minding his own business on karaoke night at a sports bar near his home in Miami when things took a nasty turn. On the other side of the bar, he recalled, a drunk couple was arguing. The woman gave Mr. Graham a look, which her boyfriend apparently didn't appreciate. He approached Mr. Graham, 44, flicked a cigarette at him and challenged him to a fight. Bruce Corrigan teaches various fighting techniques and appears in instructional videos and DVD's. Unfortunately for the aggressor, Mr. Graham is a passionate student of the art -- scratch that -- the act of street fighting. He owns approximately 20 DVD's and books on street fighting, many of them by the brawling guru Paul Vunak. One is perfectly suited for karaoke nights that get out of hand: "Anatomy of a Street Fight." Mr. Graham recalled his training, and what happened next at the bar was not pretty. He first went in with his thumbs for an eye gouge before letting loose with a "straight blast," a flurry of driving blows to the midsection ("Bruce Lee's favorite," Mr. Graham said). The aggressor fell to the floor, at which point Mr. Graham applied a choke hold until security separated and dismissed the two -- through separate doors. The whole episode lasted less than 20 seconds, Mr. Graham said. In the end, the aggressor was vanquished and Mr. Graham's manhood was intact, just as his videos had promised. His opponent was in a state of disbelief after the fight, Mr. Graham said. "He thought we were going to do the whole boxing match thing. He wasn't ready for a poke in the eye and a 50-yard dash down the centerline." If Mr. Graham decides to hone his technique by purchasing more instructional street fight videos, he won't lack for options. Once the purview of a few paranoiacs and survivalists, street fighting tutorials have proliferated through online retailers, driven largely, they say, by the popularity of the Ultimate Fighting Championship and the Pride Fighting Championships, two televised no-holds-barred, mixed martial arts fighting leagues. Don Wasser, the president of PFS Video, a company in Pennsylvania that has produced street fighting videos since 1991 -- including Mr. Vunak's classic "Barbaric Biting: How to Instantly Get Out from Under a 250 lb. Man" -- said sales of his company's street fighting videos had increased 50 percent in the last four years. He attributed that growth to fans of ultimate fighting, which has drawn a large audience through pay-per-view broadcasts, and more recently through the Spike TV series, "The Ultimate Fighters," which follows contestants as they train and compete. "It was slow at the start," Mr. Wasser said of sales. "But in the last five or six years it has just exploded." Mr. Wasser said most of his customers were not interested in spending a lot of time learning traditional martial arts in a dojo, or fighting academy. Instead, he said, they liked the idea of sitting on a sofa and picking up a couple of nasty out-of-the-box maneuvers, just in case they encountered some bullies in the real world. Mr. Wasser said he thought of himself as being in the business of building confidence, and through customer surveys, he said he'd come to know his clients' psychology well. "The guys who are playing football aren't looking for confidence -- they've got it," he said. "It's the guys in the chess club who are looking for confidence." Experts in personal security generally agree that getting into a fight is an extraordinarily bad idea. Lose and you may end up in the hospital; win and you may end up in jail or in court facing lawsuits. The prevalence of weapons these days adds to the danger, they said. "You never want to engage somebody physically because you never know what you're up against," said Donald R. Henne, a former New York City police lieutenant and now a director at the security firm Kroll. He said he found the idea of street fight videos laughable. "Those individuals who fight in ultimate fighting are highly trained athletes who work out constantly," he said. "It's like watching a video of how to fly an aircraft and taking a seat in a jumbo jet and saying, 'Yeah, I could fly this thing.' " (Page 2 of 2) But Bruce Corrigan, a former marine who teaches fighting classes and stars in a video series for Mr. Wasser, said that customers for his videos followed a different creed: "Better tried by 12 than carried by 6," he said. With titles like "Brutal Head Bustin Secrets," "Ghetto Blocks" and "Delta Mojo," street fighting DVD's may be the digital age equivalent of manuals once advertised in the backs of comic books, all promising young men the secrets of dealing with bullies who kicked sand in their faces or tried to steal their girlfriends. As with those old ads, the promotional material for the videos is often comically hyperbolic: "What the World's Most Dangerous Federal Agent Knows About Filthy, Illegal, Real-World Lethal Hand-to-Hand Combat -- That You Don't Yet," declares the Web page for "Brutal Beyond Belief," the street fighting DVD series by a supposedly top-secret government operative who goes by the name Dr. Violence. "Much of this stuff is over-the-top nasty!" Production quality in the videos varies widely, and typically feature a motley assortment of former military personnel, martial artists and in some cases, even former gang members willing to share survival skills they've picked up on the streets. Violent backgrounds, real or hyped, are considered a plus.
8/20/06 7:43 PM
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Edited: 20-Aug-06
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PART TWO One video, produced by a company called TRS Direct, promotes the expertise of an instructor who "trained KGB hit-men, Kremlin bodyguards, elite paratroopers and big-city Russian SWAT teams." Another champions an Israeli fighting technique "that FREAKS OUT Even Hardcore U.S. Soldiers." But despite the promise of exotic fighting methods from around the world, most street fighting videos boil down to the same handful of moves: foot stomps, larynx jabs, eye flicks, crushing elbow blasts, shin kicks and head butts, which are delivered ruthlessly upon a thuggish looking cast of soon-to-be vanquished aggressors. It turns out that many people who buy street fighting videos do not actually do a lot of fighting. Michael Rigg, the director of sales and marketing at Paladin Press, a company in Boulder, Colo., that publishes many street fighting tutorials, said he trains often in mixed martial arts, though he has never fought. "I'm a good liberal Democrat," Mr. Rigg said. "But I would take a piece off of you and give it back to you if it came to that." Marc Gould, a 50 year-old medical technician in California and a fan of both Ultimate Fighting Championship and street fighting videos, said that while he knew a lot about fighting, he hadn't been in an actual fight since childhood. But if trouble found him, he said he would be ready. "Elbow strikes are my favorite," Mr. Gould said. "In order to get out of a street fight, you've got to do damage real fast." In some ways, the street fighting video industry is set up like the pornography industry. Individual performers work through privately owned distributors for $500 to $1,000 a video, which can sell for $19 to $79. Some use pseudonyms. Jim Grover, a performer in Paladin Press's "Situational Self-Offense" series, is actually a security expert named Kelly McCann. Because videos pay so little, instructors have to make a lot of them to earn a living. Jim Arvanitis, who bills himself as an expert in the fighting style of the gladiators, has made 21 videos. He said the work allowed him to hone moves that might otherwise land him in jail. "You can't just go around picking on people and going to bars giving people dirty looks," he said. "So you make videos." Mr. Wasser said his company was planning to release 10 new street fighting videos this year. Nonetheless, he said he considered himself something of a pacifist. "My wife knows I'm a manly man," he said. "I'd rather not go to a hospital or a police station tonight. And these days, everybody's got a lawyer."
10/3/06 3:21 PM
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Edited: 03-Oct-06
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Go to www.fighting.net, and click on the executive pfs link. There is a video link in the upper left of that page. I'm sorry, but that stuff looks like sh&t. Vunak should be ashamed of screwing over all of his instructors to put on that kind of crap. Man, all of the stuff is bad enough but look real hard at the ground stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a crew. Good comedy though.
10/3/06 3:26 PM
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solidbjj: Could you go into detail as to why you consider that stuff "comedy?"
10/3/06 3:35 PM
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"Could you go into detail as to why you consider that stuff "comedy?" Just take a look - you gotta be SH&TTING ME dude. The ground stuff has people reaching up, the kali stuff looks like dancing sword fighters - what else do you need?????
10/3/06 3:46 PM
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solidbjj: I've looked at the tape, and considering that they're training lightly, I don't see anything wrong or out of the ordinary about their methods. Have you trained with these guys? What do you train in?
10/3/06 8:17 PM
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Edited: 03-Oct-06
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Have you ever hired a contractor to do work on your home? Never hire on the spot. Never pay up front. If you pay up front you won't hear back from them until they have done all of their other higher-paying jobs. Get to know them or get a testimony from a past client. Go out drinking, surfing, or golfing with them first to see their character, whatever. If things go wrong, move on.
10/3/06 11:15 PM
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"Get to know them or get a testimony from a past client. Go out drinking, surfing, or golfing with them first to see their character, whatever. If things go wrong, move on." Wow, lol!! I'd LOVE to be your interior designer then! Can you imagine? You take me out drinking, surfing, and golfing. For FREE too! Then you like me and my work, and you decide to hire me to decorate your home. Then I say "Nah, I decided you can't appreciate my work. Thanks for the great time though!"
10/4/06 3:59 PM
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Edited: 04-Oct-06
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made me laugh so hard- i cried ;)
10/10/06 6:52 PM
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Edited: 10-Oct-06 07:00 PM
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I guess I'm a cheap bastard because I won't pay for the drinks or green fees! $2,000 up front?
12/13/06 6:48 PM
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Edited: 13-Dec-06
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"Looks to me that vunak has screwed over all of his previous pfs instructors - take a look at hs site and now they are relegated to a minor position. Now you can pay 2500 and be senior to a senior instructor. PFS gives itself a vunak enema about every few years. People leave the organization in numbers too large to mention people like roy harris, frank cucci, matt thorton, bruce corrigan,singer bros.,demi barbito, rick tucci, marc denney,steve grody, etc, etc, etc. So boycott pfs - not pfs video. What the hell did PFS video do??? They are offering vunaks video for free??????????" Pretty solid list of instructors no longer associated with PFS or Vu. Too bad, that would have been a helluva organization.
1/4/07 6:20 PM
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Edited: 04-Jan-07
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Vu is funny and has a decent vocabulary. He is always pontificating.
1/5/07 10:27 AM
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Edited: 05-Jan-07
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it still is a hell of an org.. a lot of dedicated die-hards are still w/Vu. What have i done in comparison to Vu, in the MA community, or you-anyone- in that same manner and Vu is still very much hard at it-cover of inside KF Mag. keep up the training and 3-salutes
3/15/07 10:27 AM
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Edited: 15-Mar-07
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Hey, anyone see vunak's last article in Inside Kung Fu? What the hell is it about? This guy has lost it as far as I am concerned. Looks like all the shit finally took its toll. And hey, what is with the rug on Tom Cruse's head. He should let it go!!! Baldness rules!!
3/15/07 5:24 PM
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Edited: 15-Mar-07
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*Peeks in wearing his helmet* ... Carry on.
3/15/07 5:32 PM
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Edited: 15-Mar-07
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I have not seen Insude Kung Fu on a long time. They're still in print, huh?- Which issue are you referring to?
3/15/07 9:57 PM
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Edited: 15-Mar-07
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One of vu's Apprentice Instructors name is Winston Wing. That would be a cool name for a secret agent
4/25/07 12:12 PM
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Edited: 25-Apr-07
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lol
4/25/07 2:10 PM
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Edited: 25-Apr-07
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I think he offeres a very good program for self defense i hava a few videos abut straight blast and use of HKE looks very efective and Vunak is one of the most respected teachers in Jkd???? He train too with Inosanto,Marc Deny, Machados, etc
4/25/07 8:16 PM
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Edited: 25-Apr-07
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Woof Luigipe: For the record, I met Paul in 1982 at the Kali Academy and was a student of his 1983-1986 and received the core of my trapping skills there. I am fairly sure that he has never trained with any of the Machados. My understanding is that he has trained BJJ with prestigious members of the the Gracie family and others. Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny

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