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8/23/06 9:24 PM
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The philosopher Plato (427-347) was a double winner of the pankration. http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/ancient/index_uk.asp
8/23/06 9:52 PM
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plato is such a badass. those were the days...no separation between geeks and warriors, brains and braun. you were expected to be mentally and physically strong.
8/24/06 4:20 AM
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cool, didn´t know that. I guees that was helpful too,when Socrates walked around and pissed people of with his "conversations".
8/24/06 10:00 AM
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Pankration often went to the death. No rules (other then no eye-gouging and no biting), no rounds, and no time limit... Yes Plato was a true bad-ass!
8/25/06 3:30 AM
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Plato means broad or broad-shouldered in greek also...
8/28/06 9:49 AM
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He was also a decorated soldier.
8/28/06 7:02 PM
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If you look at the education that he suggests for philosophers in The Republic, it includes wrestling and striking besides the dialectic training.
8/31/06 7:59 AM
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is this true, any good sources for this?
8/31/06 10:38 AM
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the source is in the OP.
8/31/06 2:32 PM
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Plato "the Philosopher" (427-347) That may be a winning record (he even has more wins than Rickson), but its really not the best percentage in the world.
8/31/06 9:16 PM
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"Plato "the Philosopher" (427-347) That may be a winning record (he even has more wins than Rickson), but its really not the best percentage in the world." lol, those are the dates of his life, not his record (as i'm somewhat sure you know). he discusses the physical training and pankration in more detail in The Laws.
11/19/06 5:06 PM
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what do you mean by occultist? The whole daimon thing?
12/12/06 4:37 AM
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is plato the true form of badassness??
12/14/06 3:17 PM
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Plato also deeply influenced the Renaissance fencing masters not technically, but as a backdrop. Asian philosophy is closely associated with Oriental fighting systems, but it seems that Plato stands quite strong in this area. I think Plato would own Lao Tzu, Confucius, and Dogen.
12/19/06 7:25 AM
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It also stands to mention that Plato is often depicted in art as being physically decrepid, in order to emphasize the "etherialness" of his teaching, especially the idea of Platonic forms. This still exists in our language as "Platonic Friends" being non physical. Its interesting to know that in his own life he was a very rugged individual to balance out the disembodiedness of his school.
4/18/07 5:51 PM
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"Plato means broad or broad-shouldered in greek also..." yes, indeed it means "he who is broad". Plato was actually his nickname. And yes it is said that he did have broad shoulders. And he was an olympic winner twice.
4/18/07 5:59 PM
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he was also, however, a critic of it. He thought it'd be better if the state trained military people rather than pankration athletes and he also thought that pankration is not very valuable because athletes spend much time on the ground, which in real combat (I suppose) is not desired.
4/19/07 3:16 AM
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"he also thought that pankration is not very valuable because athletes spend much time on the ground, which in real combat (I suppose) is not desired" LOL. Where´d you get that? I.
4/19/07 10:21 AM
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i think I have read this in an Hellenic studies article. If I am not mistaken, I could be, the article was called "Pankration and Wrestling" but I can't remember the author. By the way both Socrates and Aristotle practiced both wrestling and pankration. In fact Socrates even took part in the Messianic wars so he probably even killed during his time :) as for plato's statement, it was meant to criticize pankration as military training. Apparently, ancient greeks practiced a lot of lay n' pray :P
4/19/07 10:28 PM
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Plato was an amazing man - he didn't just sit around pontificating, he did thing - everything.

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