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9/5/06 1:06 PM
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i've narrowed it down to 3 ricardo clark pablo mastraoni charlery(sp?) joseph i think clark is the most offensive of the three where mastraoni is the best defensively and joseph is probably the best all around in mls what's your take?
9/5/06 3:51 PM
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why doyou hate america?
9/5/06 5:07 PM
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djstdd do you even watch soccer, football, footie, the game(or what ever youw ant to call it) no position in soccer (other than goalie) is strictly defensive or strictlyoffensive. there are elements to both in all positions. defensive or holding midfield is probably the one position that has to have the greatest mix of both skill sets.
9/5/06 8:23 PM
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Living in Chicago and being a fire supporter since they joined the league, I've been a huge fan of Chris Armas for years. When he was healthy(which was unfortunatly not often enough) he was one of the best. As for right now, I'd say Shalrie Joseph, but once the January transfer window comes and he heads out to Celtic this debate will be wide open again
9/5/06 8:32 PM
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I say Joseph too. I didn't like that Mastroeni was on the national team. I swear I've only seen him pass forward like 2-3 times. I think the holding MF's big job is to help his team keep possession. If you keep possession you don't have to defend....I'd rather have a good passer there than a good tackler.
9/8/06 2:13 AM
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"Chelsea use 5 in midfield and will have a "box to box" man (Essien/Ballack), a "holding" player (Lampard) and a "defensive" midfielder (Claude M), you might say the "Holding" player is the traditional "playmaker"." ????? A holding midfielder IS a defenseive midfielder. Lampard is not a holding midfielder as I understand the term. "the Argies also did it in the world cup , Mash(Defensive) Cambiaso (box-box) JRR (holding) , so did Brazil." Riquelme is DEFINATELY not a holding midfielder.
9/8/06 2:19 AM
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i think the perfect example on the international level of a traditional defensive midfielder is Davids (is it david or davids just had a mind fart)
9/8/06 2:23 AM
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Egdar Davids?
9/8/06 2:30 AM
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yup...
9/8/06 1:16 PM
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Riquelme is a playmaker, I never said he wasn't, but a playmaker and a holding midfielder are not the same thing. Here is wikipedia's entry on "holding midfielder," here's the first paragraph: "A defensive midfielder or a holding midfielder is a central midfielder who is stationed in front of the back defenders for defensive reasons, thus "holding back" the freedom of the opponents to attack. This specialist midfielder's responsibilities are to defend against or tackle the opposing team, to recover the ball for their own team, and to safely distribute it to more attacking-minded players." Later on, it has a section titled "attacking midfielder" and specifically mentions Riquelme. In the holding midfielder section it mentions the relationship between Lampard and Makelele and contrasts them with Makelele being the defensive midfielder and Lampard being the "attacking player" in the language of the article (note that the article starts of equating "holding MF" with "defensive MF").
9/8/06 3:48 PM
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Wikipedia isn't the only place to define the terms this way, Makelele and Vieira have both referred to themselves as "holding midfielders" in interviews. "Playmaker" is a vague term, players can have playmaking abilities and play as defensive midfielders, but Lampard and Riquelme are not holding midfielders.

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