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10/20/06 4:17 PM
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Editor's note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document. After Pat's Birthday By Kevin Tillman It is Pat's birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice... until we get out. Much has happened since we handed over our voice: Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that. Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is. Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military. Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat. Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes. Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground. Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started. Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated. Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated. Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated. Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated. Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe. Somehow torture is tolerated. Somehow lying is tolerated. Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense. Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world. Somehow a narrative is more important than reality. Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is. Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world. Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance. Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country. Somehow this is tolerated. Somehow nobody is accountable for this. In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don't be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that "somehow" was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites. Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat's birthday. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/
10/20/06 4:18 PM
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FRAT RIP Brave Soldier
10/20/06 4:19 PM
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Here is a Picture of Kevin Tillman with his Brother Pat right before they shipped out. http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/kevin_pat_350.jpg I dare some wannbe rightwing chicken hawk to read that and then face the truth of their fucking delusion and belief in lies.
10/20/06 4:21 PM
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FRAT???? What the motherfucking hell do you mean FRAT. You damn slimy piece of shit. You wanted to use Pat's life for your propoganda when you thought it served your purposes, and now all he and his brother gets is "FRAT". You sicken sack of garbage, you fucking disgust me.
10/20/06 4:24 PM
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Take your pretend outrage somewhere else ProMagnus. Neither Pat nor Kevin Tillman need your pathetic ass to speak for them.
10/20/06 4:25 PM
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^^^^ Seems like Kevin Tillman is saying plenty on his own. What don't you address his positions. Or are you gonna call him a "cut and run coward" too like you did John Murtha.
10/20/06 4:25 PM
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA...mucho gusto
10/20/06 4:27 PM
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^^^The accuracy is stunning
10/20/06 4:27 PM
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I feel for him, and his brother was a great soldier. "He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice... " So, basically he knew exactly what he was doing, and now he's complaining about it? I really don't understand that.
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Seems like Kevin Tillman is saying plenty on his own. Exactly. So why is your punk ass pretending to talk for him?
10/20/06 4:28 PM
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HITMAN FIGHT GEAR
10/20/06 4:28 PM
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10/20/06 4:29 PM
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"So, basically he knew exactly what he was doing, and now he's complaining about it? I really don't understand that." The mouth is shatty at this point
10/20/06 4:30 PM
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You can't defend yourself against what Kevin is laying out in plain english. So now you'll tying and avoid addressing the letter by just using ad homenin attacks. Nobody is fooled by your fucking 2nd grade tactics. That only works with fucking idiots like Fakemarines1. You're not going to get away with advoiding the letter that easily.
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Exactly. So why is your punk ass pretending to talk for him?

Because it's in the nature of those who are insecure about their positions to say, 'Look! I found someone else who agrees with me!'

10/20/06 4:33 PM
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ProMagnus, Don't get mad at me because you gotz kaka in yer mouf!
10/20/06 4:33 PM
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"insecure about their positions to say" seems to me that someone who is refusing to address the letter is the one who is insecure about their positions. Whats the matter can't use the Ol "hes a leftwing looney" bit on Kevin so your just going to pretend like that letter doesn't exist. You're fucking sad...Every decent person you know must be ashamed of you.
10/20/06 4:34 PM
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Answer the letter bytch. You're the ones who are exposing their fear about the issue. If you're so fucking sure about your lies and your support for this shit, then address the letter.
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Very well written. Kevin Tillman is correct.
10/20/06 4:37 PM
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"john mark karr is guilty" -Williamofocham
10/20/06 4:38 PM
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Dear Kevin Tillman, You certainly have the right to feel the way you do. As I am sure you know, others do not feel the same way. Sincerely, Information PS-- ProMagnus is an idiot.
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"William Of Ockham is Guilty" -John Mark Karr
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10 posts so far by Williamofcocksuckum, and his girlfriends and in not one post do they address what Kevin is saying. Not one of these little chickenhawk bytches has to the balls to address a real hero like Kevin Tillman's position. Kevin and his Brother Pat actually fought the war that assholes like Information support. and now these chickenhawk repiglicans wouldn't even address Kevin's issues.
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Every decent person you know must be ashamed of you. Do you even know anyone decent?

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