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11/28/06 4:11 PM
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Opinions? It's weird, reading magazines they recomend bikes like these as first bikes, but then i talk to people and they pretty much say its a death wish...250 or bust...meh. What say you? Its got about 98 ponies.

 

11/28/06 7:09 PM
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rokel
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Edited: 28-Nov-06
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It is fine. Respect its power and take a Motorcycle saftey course. Get it !!!
11/29/06 9:18 PM
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Take a riders course and go for it. I usually suggest any new rider start on a street legal dirt bike. Learn to brake, clutch and start without any cars around. Have a look at the DRZ400 if you consider that route.
11/30/06 5:33 PM
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Edited: 30-Nov-06
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thanks. already took the msf course, got my license too. just waiting for the spring now.
11/30/06 8:07 PM
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11/30/06 8:41 PM
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Its ok as a first bike. Not the best choice but not a death wish. I don't think any non rider has any idea what 98 HP means on a bike. I can run with a vette on my 70 HP SV650. A 98HP bike is faster in a straight line than 99% of cars on the road. The problem with 600cc starter bikes (and I started on one, I know) is that they fool you with their power delivery. They make little power down low so if you short shift like most noobs you are fine. Its 6 months down the road when you start ripping it through corners when you don't know how to pick a line or move around the bike correctly and end up going wide, spinning the rear, chopping the throttle, etc... that you get into trouble. You can be ok on one. I never dumped a bike. You just need to be careful and be honest with yourself about your skills or lack therof. For instance I've been riding since early '03 and still consider myself slow and need caution when riding hard. And I can drag hard parts or boots (I don't ride with knee pucks) in turns. I advise a used bike, 500ex, gs500, SV650, etc.... to learn on. Less expensive if you dump it, less power to get you in trouble but still very quick and fun.
12/2/06 8:12 PM
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rokel
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Get it yet?
12/3/06 8:29 PM
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what? no, it's about to snow here. It's definately that or an SV650s,though. I gotta wait till Feb or March to start riding, most likely. I plan on selling my car for a much cheaper one here soon, so that i can afford a bike.
1/28/07 7:17 PM
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1/29/07 7:29 PM
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What is this snow you speak of? I'm still riding daily. :p
1/29/07 8:31 PM
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fuck you big slacker!!! Lol. I want to get a bike so bad already. Maybe my vanity wants a newer 600, but realisitcally Im probably going to end up getting an sv65o(s), or an older f4.
1/29/07 10:19 PM
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I got an SV650 last season after weighing it against a few other bikes and I love it! I've had my license for 7 years but this is my first bike and I couldn't be happier with it.
2/7/07 5:15 PM
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I am going through this right now. But I am going to get an R6 fuck it.
2/7/07 6:48 PM
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R6 is a awesome bike.
2/8/07 6:53 AM
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Lymie
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R6 is a awesome bike - Yes for a race track, for the road it sucks. Stiff suspension, cramped riding possition, no mid range AT ALL, Peaky power delivery, and a dodgy RPM read out.
2/10/07 8:37 AM
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midrange could be fixed by a power commander and custom map, though. I just want to get something that not many people have. Eventually I would love to own a triumph, but they dont make any begginer bikes really. I really want to take the time to learn how to ride and start off something not as fast, but its tempting, I know 3 or 4 people here on base who are selling their R6s and gsxrs.
2/10/07 1:52 PM
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Big Slacker is correct. Get a used bike first, the ones he listed are good to start with. It will cost you less and most new riders end up dropping them at least once. Regardless of the size, be sure to respect the power and take an advanced MSF rider course after awhile to increase your skills. http://www.msf-usa.org/ Good luck
2/11/07 9:37 AM
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...Uh.....no. That's a BAD idea. I'm 34 and have been riding since I was 9. I've ridden them all. And I mean ALL. Between my old man and I, we have collectively owned 27 motorcycles. I know WTF I'm talking about. Listen to Big Slacker. He is so correct. His advice and mine will keep you alive. Buy a USED streetbike to attain some skills. And don't expect those skills to arrive after a month of riding.....be patient and you'll live to ride for the rest of your life.
2/11/07 9:55 AM
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Lymie
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Oh and as soon as you can go on the California Superbike School. Best rider coaching program in the world. Also Listen to the slacker he has stand up wheelied the correct.
2/23/07 8:25 PM
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I say it's fine. As long as you know what you got and ride within your ability.
3/4/07 11:18 PM
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^^^Bad idea
3/5/07 12:57 AM
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Lymie
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Reenz is wrong. Big slacker and bacdacufup are teh correct. I run a bike shop and I flat out refuse to sell race rep 600's to newbs. Its a moral choice. Sure I could make more money if I did, but 75% of they guys who dont listen to my advise and go out and buy new race rep 600's or 1000's come back to see me a few month later in a sling or a cast and tell me they should have listened to my advise. Your first bike should be FORGIVING of the mistakes YOU WILL MAKE. Your first bike should be slow(ish), light, soft on the shocks, and have good tourque. The only bike that I can think of that fits this bill to a tee is the Suzuki SV650. Get a used one of these and when you can ride the wheels off it (ie on 90% of the turns you go around when pushing the pace you and scrape the pegs and or your knees) then up grade to a 600 race rep. Pls listen to me, I have been riding for over 20 years, I race in a national 600cc championship (on a sponsored ride) and like I said before I run a bike shop, and Im just about to become a coach for the California Superbike school (my test for this is on April 13th - wish me luck pls UG)
3/5/07 11:02 PM
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^^HEll YEah!!! GOOD LUCK ON THE TEST!!!!
3/7/07 1:21 AM
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Lymie
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Ta - I passed the riding skills part now I have a question and answers part to pass. This will be the hardest part of the test. I will be getting quized by Andy Ibbot (if you dont know who he is, he is the guy who coached Thomas Luti to the world 125gp title the other year) and Johnny Haynes (he is the head riding coach for Europe Middle east and Africa) Then I have to coach the head riding coach for a day. He will make mistakes and I have to coach the problems away. Will be a tough day but Im studying my ass off at the moment. The only part im worried about is the Q&A. I will have no problem with the rest of the test....
3/15/07 5:45 PM
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I have a red 06 sv650 that's a little too much for my wife(her first bike - going to go with a 250 ninja instead) for sale in Alabama. 400 mi. awesome condition, $5750. I put most of the 400 miles on it. It's a fun bike. It's certainly fast enough to kill yourself on, but not so fast that it'd cause you to hurt yourself without trying real hard. The low range touque is awesome, and makes for a very streetable bike. I don't think it's a very comfortable bike, but it's certainly better than the race ready 600/1000's. With new handlebars from helibars, (raise, widen, and bring closer the grips) she'd be able to be ridden a few hours straight with no problems. My wife also says that it's comfortable on the back, especially compared to my 06 gsxr1000 kscottg1@comcast.net

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