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1/12/07 2:05 PM
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LOL @ hubris now that he normal trolling has become ignored he has to turn to being combative.
1/12/07 2:10 PM
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there you go again. You and marines1 should have tea party together. Your both fucking nuts. anything israel says = bad anything any terrorist organization says = good. really i dont understand this. First its the translations then its the countless times hamas have said something but retract their statements. Hamas can't even stabalize their own country yet you want the apartheid state to end. Everyone knows once palestinians have more control than the zionists they are going to try to get rid of every jew. Israel is going to be what it is (apartheid state) UNTIL muslims can recognize that jews are equals. Will they ever do this?? Probably not, and until they do fuck em. At least its stable compared to the shit holes that are run by abbas and the hamas. I dont support a jewish state, but what other options are there. They teach children to kill jews. hate jews, and to get rid of all jews. There is no other solution until palestinians and other muslims grow up.
1/12/07 2:19 PM
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'Israel is going to be what it is (apartheid state) UNTIL muslims can recognize that jews are equals. Will they ever do this?? Probably not, and until they do fuck em. At least its stable compared to the shit holes that are run by abbas and the hamas.' As far as I have read, Carter does not even say that Israel inside the 1967 borders is an apartheid state. He believes Israels action on the disputed land outside the 1967 borders is apartheid.
1/12/07 2:21 PM
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Hamas can't even stabalize their own country yet you want the apartheid state to end. How can Hamas have a stable country when: a)They don't have a country under the occupation b)They are under a cruel apartheid control by the Zionist overlords?
1/12/07 2:24 PM
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Hamas wants peace = Hi. I am Hubris. I am a terrible troll. Hamas official position is "We believe that Israel has no right to exist."
1/12/07 2:25 PM
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When Israel left Gaza, Hamas was no longer under occuplation there and what happened?
1/12/07 2:26 PM
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a) Sorry their own people. They've had a chance to have their own country, but they probably knew if they accepted they would actually have to work on building a country instead of using isreal as a scapegoat for all their problems. b)They brought this upon themselves. They never work toward a solution. This is their life, all they know is to kill jews. Why dont their fellow arabs help them stabalize their country? Why dont arabs give some land to them? Why do arab countries use them to further their politcial agenda by abusing palestinians? Why do the surrounding countries and palestinians blame jews for all their problems? Why dont they recognize israel's right to exist? A ton of other why's that you dont seem to recognize cause you are so damned one sided.
1/12/07 2:26 PM
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The west bank was still under occupation, Hamas has said quite clearly that they will recognize Israel when all of the occupied territories are free. The resistance will continue until they are totally free of the apartheid system.
1/12/07 2:27 PM
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"The resistance will continue until they are totally free of the apartheid system." LMAO!!
1/12/07 2:28 PM
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"Hamas has said quite clearly that they will recognize Israel when all of the occupied territories are free." Incorrect.
1/12/07 2:28 PM
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Isaac298: a)They can't have their own country if they are under occupation by a colonialist power. b)The solution is simple and it can be achieved right now; Israel just needs to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1/12/07 2:31 PM
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History has shown over and over and over again that a people who are subservient and submit to aggressors will lose their homes, land and identity. Just look at the native Indians and other peoples who have lost their land via colonialists.
1/12/07 2:34 PM
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"b)The solution is simple and it can be achieved right now; Israel just needs to withdraw from the occupied territories." They withdrew from Gaza and were in the process of withdrawing from the West Bank. The Palestinian rocket attacks never stopped. Let's keep in mind that the "occupied territories" became occupied because Israel was forced to set up a buffer zone when they were invaded on all sides by Palestinians and other religious zealots. Don't you get tired of trolling the same subject all the time? Mix it up a little...
1/12/07 2:38 PM
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They withdrew from Gaza and were in the process of withdrawing from the West Bank. The Palestinian rocket attacks never stopped. Half measures don't cut it. Let's keep in mind that the "occupied territories" became occupied because Israel was forced to set up a buffer zone when they were invaded on all sides by Palestinians and other religious zealots. The six-day war wasn't a Muslim vs Jewish war. It was an Arab vs Israeli war. The Arab states at that time were all socialist Arab-nationalist/pan-Arab states. You really need to brush up on the history books my friend, you make yourself look like a fool.
1/12/07 2:39 PM
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^ lol
1/12/07 2:42 PM
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Just FYI for my friend TexArcher's education PLO - is a Palestinian secular nationalist movement Hamas - is a Palestinian Islamic nationalist movement PLO was one of the first legitimate Palestinian movements, Hamas is a relatively recent creation. Additional notes: The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is a Marxist-Leninist, nationalist Palestinian legitimate resistance movement.
1/12/07 2:44 PM
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Fatah - major secular Palestinian political party and the largest organization in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), a generally secular multi-party confederation.
1/12/07 2:45 PM
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Hamas or "Islamic Resistance Movement";
1/12/07 2:46 PM
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The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is a Marxist-Leninist, nationalist Palestinian political and military organization, founded in 1967.
1/12/07 2:48 PM
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"The six-day war wasn't a Muslim vs Jewish war. It was an Arab vs Israeli war. The Arab states at that time were all socialist Arab-nationalist/pan-Arab states." Right, and all of those Arab nations were Muslim. You can call it "secular" all you want, and so do they, because it brings less condemnation than an outright holy war would. "You really need to brush up on the history books my friend, you make yourself look like a fool." I love irony!! Say something else!!
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Hamas Charter Article Twelve: Hamas in Palestine, Its Views on Homeland and Nationalism Hamas regards Nationalism (Wataniyya) as part and parcel of the religious faith. Nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims. And this becomes an individual duty binding on every Muslim man and woman; a woman must go out and fight the enemy even without her husband's authorization, and a slave without his masters' permission. Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. ****For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad***: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware." From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? ****There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.*****
1/12/07 2:50 PM
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The Hamas charter doesn't state anything about 1967 borders.
1/12/07 2:51 PM
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Right, and all of those Arab nations were Muslim. You can call it "secular" all you want, and so do they, because it garners them more support than a holy war would. Yes many of them were Muslim but that is equivalent to saying something like all French are Christian. It still doesn't make the six-day war a religious fundamentalist war like you claim. It was not a holy war, it was nationalist war; a pan-Arab nationalism.
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The Hamas charter doesn't state anything about 1967 borders. The Hamas leader said he will change the direction and charter of Hamas when the occupation ends.
1/12/07 2:54 PM
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It's funny how both Fatah and Hamas have the Israely map in their crest. Noooo, they don't really want the entire land, just Gaza and west bank. Let me put it to you this way, the way that thing are right now, there will NEVER be a palestinian state. There is absolutely no incentive for Israel to make any concessions with Hamas in charge, because they knwo that islamists will never give Israel peace before the last Jew in the middle east takes his last breath. This conflict will go on for another 100 years with another 20 wars.

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