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1/14/07 4:37 PM
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1/14/07 10:20 PM
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Ron Paul, a true American hero
1/14/07 10:47 PM
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Iran unlikely to invade anyone? Not even neighboring countries? I wonder if Senator Paul has ever heard of the twelve-year war with Iraq. Perhaps we should be concerned when we have people in the Senate who are content to bury their heads in the sand (no pun intended) and ignore the ambitions already displayed by some countries in the region. I'm sure that if pressed, he would say something idiotic like Iraq had never shown territorial ambitions either.
1/14/07 10:54 PM
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holy shit hubris - I'm pretty anti bush and agree the Iraq shit's bullshit...but you're trolling has stooped to a new low. there's better propaganda for you to find out there than this. you're slipping big time.
1/14/07 10:58 PM
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hubris, No one likes war. It sucks. Quick questions: when Iran gets the bomb in a couple of years, why won't they give it to Hezbollah, and why wouldn't Hezbollah use it? I'm not saying that the US necessarily should do anything, but Paul is being obtuse. Israel has the right to defend itself. Ahmadinejad is being coy, but you get his drift. From the Iranian presidential website: "He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away." Hubris, I find it odd that you are essentially a supporter of the biggest fundamentalist and apocalyptic regime in the world. Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows.
1/14/07 11:00 PM
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ttt for hubris for completing the solution to the Jewish problem!
1/14/07 11:02 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War "The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime. The conflict saw early successes by the Iraqis, but before long they were repelled and the conflict stabilized into a long war of attrition. The United Nations Security Council called upon both parties to end the conflict on multiple occasions, but a ceasefire was not agreed to until 20 August 1988, and the last prisoners of war were not exchanged until 2003. The war irrevocably altered politics in the area, playing into wider global politics and leading to the 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The war is also noted for extensive use of chemical weapons by Iraqi forces against Iranian troops, Iranian civilians, and Iraqi Kurds."
1/14/07 11:41 PM
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No one likes war. It sucks. This is a total and absolute lie. Americans supported war, they wanted to see Saddam killed, they wanted to see a lot of enemies killed, they want to see the explosions on CNN or Fox news, and watch their expensive military toys doing their thing. Soldiers are excited by war, they are excited to go into battle and get a rush out of this, especially if they know they are on the winning side like the Americans with total battle field superiority. The warrior mentality has been celebrated since the dawn of time, warriors are regarded as brave heroes in most cultures. Quick questions: when Iran gets the bomb in a couple of years, why won't they give it to Hezbollah, and why wouldn't Hezbollah use it? to answer your hypothetical question, the answer is Mutually Assured Destruction - MAD. Israsel possess the fourth largest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. Any Arab or Iranian state will never dare to invade Israel in a total war action because they would meet certain destruction in a Israeli nuclear counter strike if Israeli existence was ever threatened. Iran or any nation state would never give up control over such a prized and strategically important asset like a nuclear weapon to a non-state or even another state actor. Control is the operative word here. The nuclear club is a exclusive one, it makes no sense to give that up to a non-state actor which can not be controlled. Total and absolute idiocy is your fucking stupid scenario. Totally fucking stupid. I'm not saying that the US necessarily should do anything, but Paul is being obtuse. Israel has the right to defend itself. Ahmadinejad is being coy, but you get his drift. Israel has the right to defend itself, that goes without saying. But Iran has not threatened war on Israel. From the Iranian presidential website: "He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away." source? link? Hubris, I find it odd that you are essentially a supporter of the biggest fundamentalist and apocalyptic regime in the world. Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows. You are incorrect, I don't support the foreign policy of George Bush's USA. George Bush is a fundamentalist born again Christian, that his regime has no respect for the rule of law and has invaded and destroyed Iraq. Ofcourse I don't support this man.
1/15/07 12:11 AM
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Why wouldn't North Korea give a nuke to Hezbollah? Everyone is talking about "when Iran gets a nuke" but North Korea is sitting pretty right now with a nuke that they tested with a big F-U to the world. What are they doing about that? Nothing, cause the United States has nothing to gain by attacking North Korea. They are simply picking on a weaker country, Iran, in the name of national security.
1/15/07 9:18 AM
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=== From the Iranian presidential website: "He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away." == source? link? Good to see that hubris is still hard-of-reading. I said from the "Iranian presidential website". Stop being lazy and learn to use the interwebs: http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/08/4/index-e.htm
1/15/07 9:19 AM
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The norks might very well sell a nuke to anyone with enough hard cash. They need it.
1/15/07 9:29 AM
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== Hubris, I find it odd that you are essentially a supporter of the biggest fundamentalist and apocalyptic regime in the world. Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows. = You are incorrect, I don't support the foreign policy of George Bush's USA. George Bush is a fundamentalist born again Christian, that his regime has no respect for the rule of law and has invaded and destroyed Iraq. Ofcourse I don't support this man. That's laughable. You can be "born again" (which maybe Bush is, I'm not sure) without being an apocalyptic. Ahmadinejad is a believer in the 12th imam: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml He is also clearly a lunatic: "But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission. In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September." Look, Bush is not the sharpest stick in the bundle, but your pure blind spittle-inducing hatred has disqualified you from rational thought here. Talking about options when this man is about to get the bomb is only sane.
1/15/07 9:33 AM
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== No one likes war. It sucks. = This is a total and absolute lie. Get off your high horse before you fall down and I have to call the waaaaambulance.
1/15/07 9:39 AM
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== Quick questions: when Iran gets the bomb in a couple of years, why won't they give it to Hezbollah, and why wouldn't Hezbollah use it? = to answer your hypothetical question, the answer is Mutually Assured Destruction - MAD. The game theory on which MAD is based assumes sane actors. If an actor has an elements of insanity then the results are unknown. Garbage in, garbage out. _Of course_ hubris will side with the insane demogogue who wants to "wipe Isael off the face of the map": http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816 "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map. Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference "The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism. "The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said. "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini. His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government rallies."
1/15/07 9:43 AM
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"Everyone is talking about "when Iran gets a nuke" but North Korea is sitting pretty right now with a nuke that they tested with a big F-U to the world." No one is talking about North Korea? Maybe on the planet you're from. "What are they doing about that?" The options are limited. If you really believe that we are doing "nothing" then I think we're at an impasse here. "Nothing, cause the United States has nothing to gain by attacking North Korea. They are simply picking on a weaker country, Iran, in the name of national security." We're doing different things in these two situations, because, and get this, CIRCUMSTANCES IN EACH SITUATION ARE DIFFERENT.
1/15/07 9:52 AM
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= "Iran or any nation state would never give up control over such a prized and strategically important asset like a nuclear weapon to a non-state or even another state actor. Control is the operative word here. The nuclear club is a exclusive one, it makes no sense to give that up to a non-state actor which can not be controlled." OK, "MAD"-boy, do a little game theory for me. Here are two elements of the decision tree: 1. Iran does/does not give one or more A-bombs to Hezbollah (or some other agent). Use of Hezbollah as a proxy to attack Israel has been established. 2. Someone does/does not prevent them from building one or more A-bombs. You are Israel. One of the options results in "holocaust complete!". What do you do? Are you willing to face existential risk because some Bush-hater thinks you should give the benefit of the doubt to a government that wants to "wipe you off the face of the map" and that sponsors world gatherings of *people who fscking believe that the holocaust did not occur*. Feel free to weigh the the decision matrix to your satisfaction. ttt for hubris siding with the holocaust deniers
1/15/07 10:44 AM
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I doubt Iran would give the bomb to Hezbollah. Iran uses Hezbollah as a proxy and wants to USE Hezbollah. If they gave the bomb to Hezbollah, that would invert the nature of their relationship. Of course, Hezbollah, knows it's being used as a proxy and probably wants to escape this but unless the Iranian government suddenly gets really naive and clueless, no way is Hezbollah getting the bomb. Think about it this way - pick a banana repulic that the US supported during the cold war. Do you think the US would've given ANY of them a nuclear weapon if they asked for it? No way. You give those guys just enough so that they rely on you and they can do what you want them to do but you don't give them enough for them to get crazy ideas of independence.
1/15/07 10:51 AM
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"We're doing different things in these two situations, because, and get this, CIRCUMSTANCES IN EACH SITUATION ARE DIFFERENT." Correct. We are letting NK develop nukes, which they will then proliferate, while at the same time wringing our hands about Iran.
1/15/07 11:03 AM
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"If they gave the bomb to Hezbollah, that would invert the nature of their relationship." Of course, they wouldn't just hand it to Hezbollah leadership and say "here, have fun!". They may be crazy, but they're not dumb. Look, they might not do it, but we can't be blind to the possibility. "The kingdom" and the other Sunni countries certainly won't be blind to it. "Do you think the US would've given ANY of them a nuclear weapon if they asked for it? No way." Here again is the assertion of sanity on the part of the Iranian leadership. I'm just saying that that assumption needs to be kept on a short leash.
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New World Samurai: -No where in that link you provided does Ahmadinejad threaten war or genocide like you claim. -You claim no one wants war, I just disproved your idiotic statement. -There is nothing about the Iranian regime that is insane, any more so than the regimes controlling the USA, Russia, UK, France, or Russia. Born again Christian fundamentalist is about as sane as Muslim with a turban. -The only sane option for Israel is to withdraw back to the 67 borders, accept a Palestinian state, which will lead to total peace with the Arab neighbours as declared in the Beirut declaration of 2002. The insane option is to continue the apartheid system within the occupied territories and refuse to sign peace treaties with her neighbours.
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I've always thought it was a bit retarded to put someone on "ignore" on the OG, but that's what we are doing with Iran and Syria. Bush has them on ignore. Grow the fuck up, W.
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"-No where in that link you provided does Ahmadinejad threaten war or genocide like you claim." No, he just wants them "wiped off the map". Just a friendly gesture between neighborly countries. "-The only sane option for Israel is to withdraw back to the 67 borders, accept a Palestinian state, which will lead to total peace with the Arab neighbours as declared in the Beirut declaration of 2002." And ponies. It will lead to flying ponies. Your grasp of human nature and Islamic culture is nigh suicidal. "-There is nothing about the Iranian regime that is insane, any more so than the regimes controlling the USA, Russia, UK, France, or Russia. Born again Christian fundamentalist is about as sane as Muslim with a turban." Ahmadinejad claims that when he spoke to the UN Allah entranced his listeners and caused them not to blink. The guy is loony tunes. I see where your admiration comes from. Regardless, we'll see if your "faith" is well grounded over the next few years.
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Does MAD work when one of the two parties has already demonstrated a propensity for self-destruction?
1/15/07 11:24 AM
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"Your grasp of human nature and Islamic culture is nigh suicidal." What are you saying? That given a state, the genes of Palestinians will dictate that they try to kill Israelis whereever they find them? Do you agree then with Bush that Muslims only need freedom and democracy in order to become peaceful citizens of the world? Doesn't sound like it.
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-he is talking about the Zionist regime, the same way Regan was talking about the evil empire, the Soviet Union. -The Israeli nukes make war with it impossible. The Arab states know this, that's why they proposed the Beirut declaration of 2002. This has nothing to do with Islamic culture. -The preisdent of Iran is the 5th most powerful man in the Iranian government. Within the Iranian constitutional framework, he does not have the executive powers to start wars much less launch the imaginary nuclear weapons. But that is beside the point because Ahmadinejad is not a mad man. He is a well educated university professor, a scholar and peaceful man. Iran has never started wars unlike certain unstable drunkard, draft dodging, fundamentalist born again Christian presidents we all know and love.

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