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2/3/07 9:19 PM
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bigmills008
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normal UFC rules except ban elbows and shorten the rounds to 3 or 4 minutes
8/15/07 5:02 PM
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I went to the Pankration event in San Diego last weekend.

They allowed only strikes to the body. Here's a clip from a previous tournament: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2786314983751395677&q=Pankration&total=285&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=6

These are the rules they used: http://www.fightleague.org/images/Rules/rules.pdf

These are the official rules by USA FEDERATION of PANKRATION ATHLIMA : http://www.teamusapankration.com/pankration/rules/rules.html#newworld

What do you think would be better, strikes only to the body or allow headstrikes with an approved Head gear?

Thanks for your opinions.

8/15/07 5:21 PM
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8/15/07 7:33 PM
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I seccond Mr. Malott. If you have any say in it get Nevada to adopt the ISCF amateur rules. www.ISCFMMA.com Later, Stephen Carnes
8/15/07 9:02 PM
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Ditto the ISCF rules. They are very good.
8/15/07 9:10 PM
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3 minute rounds already pretty much make it kickboxing. Defintiely do go 2 minutes, or 10 counts. 7 oz. gloves are reasonable.
2/26/08 3:59 PM
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Just over a year after the first post. Yesterday we were granted approval for the first all amateur MMA show in Nevada scheduled April 12th at the Tropicana Hotel & Casino.

First sanctioned amateur MMA event in Nevada, "TUFF-N-UFF Fighting Championships" approved

 LAS VEGAS, NV. Feb. 26, 2008 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) – TUFF-N-UFF Productions, Inc., an innovator of Mixed Martial Arts, today announced the first amateur MMA event to take place on April 12th at the Tropicana Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas.

"The NSAC recently approved our request to promote an amateur MMA event on April 12th at the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas," said Barry Meyer, president of Tuff-N-Uff. "This has been in the works for a long time and we're excited to promote the first sanctioned amateur MMA event in Nevada. We'll now be able to offer amateur MMA fighters an opportunity to compete in a safe environment, at a world class venue, in the fight capital of the world!"

Our goal is to be the equivalent of the golden gloves of MMA by working with quality promoters in other regions, to help the sport grow. The winners will be invited to compete at the next show tentatively scheduled May 23rd to crown champions and help us find fighters to debut on our professional shows. We look forward to giving athletes an avenue to demonstrate their skills and have the opportunity to move on to follow their dreams.

Tuff-N-Uff Productions was founded in 1994 for the purpose of promoting martial arts shows. Over the years Tuff-N-Uff has established itself as an innovator in the fight promotions industry. We received one of the first MMA licenses in Nevada. We've since promoted SHOOTO in 2003, the first MMA tournament in Nevada, co-promoted Chuck Norris' World Combat League, Bodog FIGHT, ADCC North American qualifiers, and now the first to promote amateur MMA in Nevada.

Interested competitors please register at: http://bjjnews.org/TUF/register/

More information will be announced soon at: www.tuffnuff.net


2/26/08 4:31 PM
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everything can be argued for or against except one, 10-counts have no place in MMA!
2/26/08 4:41 PM
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I work with USA Mixed Martial Arts (Washington State branch). www.usamma.org We have a 3-tiered classification for amateurs. NO amateurs can use elbows or forearms. Regular ammy bouts are three 3-minute rounds, title matches are five 3-minute rounds. Class C/Novice fights do not allow: head strikes on the ground; kicks or knees to the head while standing or in the clinch (this includes upkicks to the head from a downed opponent to the standing opponent); leg locks are not allowed; and we are considering using the 8-count for standing knockdowns in Novice matches too. Headgear and shin pads are not mandatory, but if used BOTH must wear them. Class B/Intermediate does not allow any kicks or knees to the head; heel hooks are illegal, but all other ankle/leg locks are allowed. No standing knockdown count. Class A/Advanced bouts employ modified Unified Rules MINUS elbow/forearm strikes. Similar to the IFL rules. This class is for experienced amateurs about to turn pro, or fighting for amateur titles.
2/26/08 4:53 PM
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^^^i expect royalties for you using my idea!!!!
2/26/08 5:01 PM
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Thanks for the input! It's great to share input with others and work together to have uniformity.
We'll post more news soon.
2/26/08 5:26 PM
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"^^^i expect royalties for you using my idea!!!!" You posted that idea today....our rules were written that way in 2003/04. As far as experience being the criteria for Class advancement - consider an NCAA all-American wrestler, world class kickboxer of BJJ black belt, making their debut in MMA. Should they be considered novice? IMO, not necessarily.
2/26/08 6:38 PM
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The first 3 fights will in most cases be 2 minute rds. After they have had 3 fights then it will be 3 minute rds.
2/26/08 11:21 PM
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I still want royalties for being intelligent
2/26/08 11:22 PM
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"The first 3 fights will in most cases be 2 minute rds. After they have had 3 fights then it will be 3 minute rds." 2 minute rounds? IF you cant fight for 3 minute rounds, your ass doesnt need a debut, you need a gym to train in and you need your ass in it.
2/26/08 11:38 PM
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I fought mma as an ammy and fought UFC rules and I think there should be all striking allowed minus stomps to the head. I think even groin strikes and headbutts should be legal.
2/26/08 11:41 PM
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"I fought mma as an ammy and fought UFC rules and I think there should be all striking allowed minus stomps to the head. I think even groin strikes and headbutts should be legal." What state was this where full UFC rules were in an amatuer fight?
2/26/08 11:46 PM
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helllllllllllllll nooooooo they already dont let us use elbows and i hate that
2/26/08 11:47 PM
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"helllllllllllllll nooooooo they already dont let us use elbows and i hate that" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then turn pro. If you are not ready to be a pro, you are not ready for elbows, pretty simple.
2/27/08 3:05 AM
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"IMO, both Ohio and Georgia are leading the way in AMT MMA. Check out those state sites and you should be set." Georgia and the GAEC hasn't "led the way" in anything other than effectively killing the sport in this state since they implemented their "amateur rules". They started out by reducing the overall number of shows in the state by more than half and if the new bill they have proposed become law it will effectively put all promoters out of business because they will not be able to afford to promote any longer. Things to think about when implementing "amateur rules"... The primary thing is to keep it safe while not making it too different or far removed from MMA competition. What GA is using as amateur rules is not MMA and it isn't really safe. Amateur level competition is supposed to prepare a fighter for the professional level. If the amateur level is too far removed it will not do that. One of the biggest things about MMA competition that sets it apart from other combat sports is getting punched on the ground. If you remove head strikes on the ground then it isn't preparing the amateur athlete to compete in the pros. They can get the same amateur experience by competing in grappling tournaments and kickboxing matches. A 10 count is not safe for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a brain. It's actually redundant once you have a "no striking the head on the ground" rule. They have the no striking the head on the ground rule to defend the guys from GnP. If it's already illegal for a guy to get struck in the head once on the ground then why is a 10 count even necessary? It keeps fights frome being finished by submission (which is safer than KOs). Bigger gloves- hinders grappling ability and makes striking a more viable option. Grappling is a safer way of ending fights than KOing the opponent. Shin pads- Makes escaping leg locks harder and actually makes standard escapes that people practice daily more dangerous because they will injure their own knees/ankles. What the new amateur rules did for GA..... It is too far removed from actual MMA competition that it does not do a proper job of preparing athletes for pro level competition. The crowds do not understand it and are confused. Amateur athletes did not like the rules and way too many went pro before they were ready so as not to be forced to compete in this new sport. What that did was lead to more pro fights on cards and real pros getting paid less because these new "amateur pros" would fight for very little. It causes a dramatic decrease in quality fights and a dramatic increase in mismatches. Mismatches are dangerous for these new "amateur pros" that weren't ready to be pro yet. The amateur rules lead to more boring Lay N Pray decision wins. The crowds do not like boring fights, mismatches and lesser quality fights/fighters that are being sold as professional level. A year ago we were averaging at least 1 fight a week in GA, most times 2 a week. That has been reduced by more than half since the new athletic commissioner took over and asserted his presence and he is trying to reduce it by even more. Think about what you are doing before implementing any drastic "amateur rules". Just check out some of the threads on GA and the commission and the MMA scene if you really want to know how GA is "leading the way" in amateur MMA.... Many, many, many people are very unhappy with the way things have evolved over thie past year.
2/27/08 12:11 PM
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Cam - I agree completely. That's why I wrote our rules the way I did. Georgia has completely HOSED the fighters there. Guys will be turning pro without proper experience because they've made the rules lame. How many GA gyms train their guys NOT the throw head strikes on the ground? Amateur competition is supposed to prepare you for the professional ranks. If you have 30 amateur fights....and NEVER got hit in the face on the ground...how prepared are you REALLY? The 3-tiered system allows for progressive advancement of skill sets. Class C/Novice competitors can get ring/cage time without the spectre of serious injury. The rules and scring should be such that the more technical fighter can win, not the guy that hold the other down. Class B allows guys to use closer to pro rules, but still inhibits the more dangerous of manuevers. What could be worse than a heel hook stopping your MMA career before it began? Class A competition is the last step before a pro debut. This is the last chance to get REAL experience before turing pro.
2/27/08 1:53 PM
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Don't like these amateur rules? Stick to the pro fights and stay away from amateur events. Simple fix. If not for a knockdown count novice fighters could get rocked and the fight would be over. That's neither good for them or the opponent as far as gaining experience...which is what an amateur career is for.
2/27/08 1:58 PM
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3 x 3 Larger gloves: The MMA training style No knees or elbows Very safe
2/27/08 3:14 PM
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3 minutes No headgear standing 10 count after KD Down kicks to body NO ELBOWS Knees to the body only. Standing 10 counts are great. Heres why. If you cant strike to the head of a downed opponent what is the sense of chasing him down. Ive seen it 100 times, it Kills the excitement Immediatly when a guy gets decked and falls over, AND then the guy tries to finish him off with strikes to the BODY. (it usually wakes them up anyhow). With a 10 count you get multiple ass whoopings on the feet and no buzz kill when you can finish the guy off.
2/27/08 3:17 PM
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I agree with Kirik, but no shin guards...

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