OtherGround Forums OG doc. AMA on COVID-19

3 days ago
3/9/13
Posts: 4436
NoNeed4aScreenName -
mataleo1 -
The Stewed Owl - 

mataleo1, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the new "Oxford model" if you have time to read it. Seems like either very good news or very very bad news if wrong. 

The latest study is surprisingly encouraging


Yes I had read that. I actually have friends (in Oxford!) who do AI-based epidemiological models. Their conclusions: according to their model, this could turn out to weather the storm quicker than those proposing very stringent isolation. HOWEVER, considering the unknowns there are small chances that this will produce VERY bad results.

Something like (that's how they voiced it):
Oxford: 96% good outcome, 2% bad outcome, 2% catastrophic
Confinement: 95% good outcome, 4% bad outcome, 1% catastrophic

Their conclusions: bad idea. The risks of a catastrophic outcome do not compensate for a significant potential for a quicker recovery

So he mentioned an imperial study. Looks like that imperial study has also been revised?

 

No it wasn't. Thread here:

 

2 days ago
7/15/02
Posts: 11784

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

2 days ago
7/6/14
Posts: 4100
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 

2 days ago
4/11/14
Posts: 9684
thebehemoth73 -
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 

Lol, shit man...why should any non-essential worker even return to work ever? 

2 days ago
1/7/09
Posts: 15928

When people are on a ventilator, how do they eat?  Are patients in critical condition being fed with a peg tube?

2 days ago
12/9/13
Posts: 27491
turducken -

When people are on a ventilator, how do they eat?  Are patients in critical condition being fed with a peg tube?

IV

2 days ago
2/10/20
Posts: 704
thebehemoth73 -
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 

Thier God Emperor said Easter, so the sheep must comply and think the same...

2 days ago
10/16/10
Posts: 29947
thebehemoth73 - 
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 


Just in the last two days, three people I know have been laid off.

I understand that we're dealing with a lot of unknowns and current safety measures are based on the best information available but there is real and potentially long term damage being done to the global economy just as the largest cohort is nearing retirement age.

The boomer generation does not have time to recover from a deep and prolonged recession or depression, and their financial health is paramount to maintaining social safety nets and our general standard of living. We need to tread very lightly here and only take action that is absolutely necessary.
2 days ago
2/23/12
Posts: 14899

My brother and his wife (a nurse working on a covid ward) are both working through this and have different schedules that makes it difficult for them to look after their dog during the day. Would it be a bad idea for me to take the dog during the day and pass him between houses? I haven’t offered to do it yet 

2 days ago
10/23/05
Posts: 3109
used2wrestle - 

Hey doc,

I'm still having chest pains, pain in my left shoulder and arm. Been about a month now and getting worse. Not worried that it's CV but was wondering how I should get looked. Is a telemedcine appointment with a doctor a good start or should I book an appointment at a clinic? Basically, I'm thinking with my symptoms they might just tell me to go to the ER and I don't want to expose myself unnecessarily to a doctor's office.

Thanks in advance


Hey man.

I again think this is potentially serious. It might be many things but that includes angina or pulmonary emboli.

You need a proper physical examination, some lab tests and an EKG (at the very least). You need to go to the ER. The risks of you not going exceed those of going.

2 days ago
10/23/05
Posts: 3110
turducken - 

When people are on a ventilator, how do they eat?  Are patients in critical condition being fed with a peg tube?


They put in a tube that goes from your mouth/nose to your stomach through which they put in some type of feeding (like Ensure).

If that doesn't work (rare) they'll feed you through an IV

2 days ago
10/23/05
Posts: 3111
Jored1990 - 

My brother and his wife (a nurse working on a covid ward) are both working through this and have different schedules that makes it difficult for them to look after their dog during the day. Would it be a bad idea for me to take the dog during the day and pass him between houses? I haven’t offered to do it yet 


I don't think dogs are vectors but they certainly can carry a shitload of droplets. I'm sure your brother's wife respects protocol but I wouldn't take the risk here.

2 days ago
2/23/12
Posts: 14900
mataleo1 -
Jored1990 - 

My brother and his wife (a nurse working on a covid ward) are both working through this and have different schedules that makes it difficult for them to look after their dog during the day. Would it be a bad idea for me to take the dog during the day and pass him between houses? I haven’t offered to do it yet 


I don't think dogs are vectors but they certainly can carry a shitload of droplets. I'm sure your brother's wife respects protocol but I wouldn't take the risk here.

It’s what I thought. Thanks 

2 days ago
10/23/05
Posts: 3113
Eskimo - 
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -
SC MMA MD -
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

My friend in vegas works at a hospital and was telling me how they normally have 70 or so patients in there and now they got 10 if that. They are setting up for the rush of patients but are going to get very low very fast on protective equipment and said he wont work once they run out. I wonder once that starts happening and the odds of a Dr/Nurse/EMT increases drasticallyl of getting sick themselves, how many stop coming into work? Any ideas, just asking as IDK the mentality of people in those fields since I don't work in them.

Statistics on this are usually around 30% when workers are anonymously polled. I imagine it will be much higher.


Where I work, essential health care workers have been issued strict guidelines:

-No vacation days until further notice
-As doctors, we need to put 2 backups for every clinical on-call resource (so if we are 2 on-call, there needs to be 4 back ups)
-No one can retire until further notice
-People can call in sick but this needs to be either backed with a medical note or from quarantine (and then testing is needed)

They just forced a pregnant pharmacist to stay at work.

2 days ago
7/15/02
Posts: 11785
thebehemoth73 -
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 

I don’t know what this means. I’m not “looking at exponential growth”? My whole post involves exponential growth.

2 days ago
11/10/18
Posts: 6742
thebehemoth73 -
Piyo -

Somebody, please make a case to me that these shelter-in-place orders aren’t ridiculous and excessive.

Here’s what experts have told us:

1) The issue is exponential growth. 
2) Everyone will get it eventually 
3) The R-0 when taking no measures at all is about 2.5.

So, this means an R-0 of 1.0 is not an issue. It won’t overwhelm the system, and the final result will be the same anyway.

Hence, assuming *no* other measures (like extra hand washing, isolation in face of symptoms, masks, etc) if the average person cuts their personal interactions by 60%, we’re in the clear. Anything beyond that is useless economic damage. SIP orders are *clearly* causing a much, much greater reduction than that. Therefore, these orders are ridiculous and extremely harmful. 

How am I wrong?

You are not looking at exponential growth of the virus. If we lift shelter in place the numbers will absolutely get out of hand and overwhelm the hospitals like they already have. Some patients take LONGER to recover then others, some die. Taking shelter in place out right now would be an absolute disaster. I cannot believe ppl think the magic number for all this to go back to normal is 2 weeks or mid April or even at the end of April. This COULD last well into August or September or even the holidays. 

Lol I can’t believe people think there will even be a country if we don’t start working in May or June. This has been a real wake up call for me about how economically stupid the average person really is.

2 days ago
8/11/12
Posts: 10740
mataleo1 -
Eskimo - 
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -
SC MMA MD -
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

My friend in vegas works at a hospital and was telling me how they normally have 70 or so patients in there and now they got 10 if that. They are setting up for the rush of patients but are going to get very low very fast on protective equipment and said he wont work once they run out. I wonder once that starts happening and the odds of a Dr/Nurse/EMT increases drasticallyl of getting sick themselves, how many stop coming into work? Any ideas, just asking as IDK the mentality of people in those fields since I don't work in them.

Statistics on this are usually around 30% when workers are anonymously polled. I imagine it will be much higher.


Where I work, essential health care workers have been issued strict guidelines:

-No vacation days until further notice
-As doctors, we need to put 2 backups for every clinical on-call resource (so if we are 2 on-call, there needs to be 4 back ups)
-No one can retire until further notice
-People can call in sick but this needs to be either backed with a medical note or from quarantine (and then testing is needed)

They just forced a pregnant pharmacist to stay at work.

Wow man holy shit. What is your opinion on the entire situation now? Do you think the quarantine lasts more than two weeks from now? More than a month? 

2 days ago
11/10/18
Posts: 6743
mataleo1 -
Eskimo - 
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -
SC MMA MD -
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

My friend in vegas works at a hospital and was telling me how they normally have 70 or so patients in there and now they got 10 if that. They are setting up for the rush of patients but are going to get very low very fast on protective equipment and said he wont work once they run out. I wonder once that starts happening and the odds of a Dr/Nurse/EMT increases drasticallyl of getting sick themselves, how many stop coming into work? Any ideas, just asking as IDK the mentality of people in those fields since I don't work in them.

Statistics on this are usually around 30% when workers are anonymously polled. I imagine it will be much higher.


Where I work, essential health care workers have been issued strict guidelines:

-No vacation days until further notice
-As doctors, we need to put 2 backups for every clinical on-call resource (so if we are 2 on-call, there needs to be 4 back ups)
-No one can retire until further notice
-People can call in sick but this needs to be either backed with a medical note or from quarantine (and then testing is needed)

They just forced a pregnant pharmacist to stay at work.

In another 4-6 when the entire economy has crashed and burned and civil unrest starts, people won’t care about their jobs or those patients. It’s obvious that most on here can’t see the forest for the trees. Nobody wants granny to die or the hospital overwhelmed. But they just shutdown the largest Toyota plant in the country through the end of April. The government will own every big business in the country and every small business will close. We’re gonna have 30% or higher unemployment after this. You guys advocating for shutting everything down to save a million old people now have no idea what’s coming. It’s sad and I feel sorry for all of us. You guys really think civil unrest is some impossibility. Society is super fragile and we’re about to experience that firsthand. 

2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10694
Caladan -
NoNeed4aScreenName -
mataleo1 -
The Stewed Owl - 

mataleo1, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the new "Oxford model" if you have time to read it. Seems like either very good news or very very bad news if wrong. 

The latest study is surprisingly encouraging


Yes I had read that. I actually have friends (in Oxford!) who do AI-based epidemiological models. Their conclusions: according to their model, this could turn out to weather the storm quicker than those proposing very stringent isolation. HOWEVER, considering the unknowns there are small chances that this will produce VERY bad results.

Something like (that's how they voiced it):
Oxford: 96% good outcome, 2% bad outcome, 2% catastrophic
Confinement: 95% good outcome, 4% bad outcome, 1% catastrophic

Their conclusions: bad idea. The risks of a catastrophic outcome do not compensate for a significant potential for a quicker recovery

So he mentioned an imperial study. Looks like that imperial study has also been revised?

 

No it wasn't. Thread here:

 

Sounds like people might want to see his work now

 

Edited: 2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10695
Caladan -
NoNeed4aScreenName -
mataleo1 -
The Stewed Owl - 

mataleo1, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the new "Oxford model" if you have time to read it. Seems like either very good news or very very bad news if wrong. 

The latest study is surprisingly encouraging


Yes I had read that. I actually have friends (in Oxford!) who do AI-based epidemiological models. Their conclusions: according to their model, this could turn out to weather the storm quicker than those proposing very stringent isolation. HOWEVER, considering the unknowns there are small chances that this will produce VERY bad results.

Something like (that's how they voiced it):
Oxford: 96% good outcome, 2% bad outcome, 2% catastrophic
Confinement: 95% good outcome, 4% bad outcome, 1% catastrophic

Their conclusions: bad idea. The risks of a catastrophic outcome do not compensate for a significant potential for a quicker recovery
 

So he mentioned an imperial study. Looks like that imperial study has also been revised?

 

No it wasn't. Thread here:

 

One more thing. Politics has made me become aware of very carefully worded statements. 

 

Is he saying that his mortality of symptomatic patients remains the same? 

 

Because that does drastically changed if a very high percentage of people have already got the virus and remained asymptomatic. 

 

Is what I am saying makes sense?

 

I have yet to see his new report. Heres a link to the PDF of the first before he got corona virus

 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

 

Heres my prediction. Not one of these predicted simulation models will be right. 

 

Not one of these predictions will have taken the right factors under consideration to make their simulations correct.

 

Edited to add link to new report

 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Global-Impact-26-03-2020.pdf

2 days ago
3/9/13
Posts: 4437
NoNeed4aScreenName -
Caladan -
NoNeed4aScreenName -
mataleo1 -
The Stewed Owl - 

mataleo1, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the new "Oxford model" if you have time to read it. Seems like either very good news or very very bad news if wrong. 

The latest study is surprisingly encouraging


Yes I had read that. I actually have friends (in Oxford!) who do AI-based epidemiological models. Their conclusions: according to their model, this could turn out to weather the storm quicker than those proposing very stringent isolation. HOWEVER, considering the unknowns there are small chances that this will produce VERY bad results.

Something like (that's how they voiced it):
Oxford: 96% good outcome, 2% bad outcome, 2% catastrophic
Confinement: 95% good outcome, 4% bad outcome, 1% catastrophic

Their conclusions: bad idea. The risks of a catastrophic outcome do not compensate for a significant potential for a quicker recovery
 

So he mentioned an imperial study. Looks like that imperial study has also been revised?

 

No it wasn't. Thread here:

 

One more thing. Politics has made me become aware of very carefully worded statements. 

 

Is he saying that his mortality of symptomatic patients remains the same? 

 

Because that does drastically changed if a very high percentage of people have already got the virus and remained asymptomatic. 

 

Is what I am saying makes sense?

 

I have yet to see his new report. Heres a link to the PDF of the first before he got corona virus

 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

 

Heres my prediction. Not one of these predicted simulation models will be right. 

 

Not one of these predictions will have taken the right factors under consideration to make their simulations correct.

Of course not.

2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10696
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -
SC MMA MD -
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

My friend in vegas works at a hospital and was telling me how they normally have 70 or so patients in there and now they got 10 if that. They are setting up for the rush of patients but are going to get very low very fast on protective equipment and said he wont work once they run out. I wonder once that starts happening and the odds of a Dr/Nurse/EMT increases drasticallyl of getting sick themselves, how many stop coming into work? Any ideas, just asking as IDK the mentality of people in those fields since I don't work in them.

Yeah we have  been waiting on a rush as well. It's already been called a state of emergency in the city but theres not much action going on yet. 

 

I'm surprised at the delay it took for some of the test results internally though. Hopefully it picks up pace

Edited: 2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10697
OxymoronicalAmbiguity -
NoNeed4aScreenName -
The Stewed Owl -
SC MMA MD - 
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

 

Fewer people on the road and in the workplace may = fewer accidents, too. Also less non-COVID-19 communicable diseases being passed.

 

 

By cancelling elective surgeries we cut anywhere from 50-75 new admissions for the week already. 

 

I'm going to assume we also cancelled the day surgeries as well. 

 

The no visitor policy only further makes the hospital feel especially empty

I read that the hospitals in the Santa Barbara area (Sansum) are looking at lay offs because they have lost so much money due to the cancellation of elective procedures and people who are afraid to go to the hospital. Do you think this is likely a bluff to get more funding? It seems like lay off's right before this gets worse would be horrible. 

I dont think it's a bluff. I think everyone expects a very bad outcome due to the virus. Our hospital has the same measures in place. 

 

I think we might have been able to redirect resources from areas that, I think, based on median age and existing conditions we can predict the best prepared areas and redirect their resources to the most at risk demographics. 

 

That's just my opinion though.

2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10698
NoNeed4aScreenName -
OxymoronicalAmbiguity -
NoNeed4aScreenName -
The Stewed Owl -
SC MMA MD - 
NoNeed4aScreenName -

Dude is not verified so take it for what it's worth.

 

Likely pretty accurate for areas not swamped with COVID patients. Hospitals have stopped non-emergent procedures due to lack of PPE and lots of patients are rescheduling non-urgent outpatient visits to avoid going to medical centers and possibly being exposed. It is eerie how quiet the hospitals and clinics in my area are now

 

Fewer people on the road and in the workplace may = fewer accidents, too. Also less non-COVID-19 communicable diseases being passed.

 

 

By cancelling elective surgeries we cut anywhere from 50-75 new admissions for the week already. 

 

I'm going to assume we also cancelled the day surgeries as well. 

 

The no visitor policy only further makes the hospital feel especially empty

I read that the hospitals in the Santa Barbara area (Sansum) are looking at lay offs because they have lost so much money due to the cancellation of elective procedures and people who are afraid to go to the hospital. Do you think this is likely a bluff to get more funding? It seems like lay off's right before this gets worse would be horrible. 

I dont think it's a bluff. I think everyone expects a very bad outcome due to the virus. Our hospital has the same measures in place. 

 

I think we might have been able to redirect resources from areas that, I think, based on median age and existing conditions we can predict the best prepared areas and redirect their resources to the most at risk demographics. 

 

That's just my opinion though.

To visually show growth in other us states vs New York

 

2 days ago
2/4/09
Posts: 10699

On the flip side. Heres an article from the san Fran Chronicle which makes claim of the possible aggressive sheltering being the case. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/health/amp/NY-has-10-times-the-coronavirus-cases-CA-has-Why-15154692.php

 

 

Personally, I think theres more then just the sheltering at play. 

 

Is this correct that outside New York the most densely packed city is maywood california?