David Jacobs' BJJGround Any old time catch guys still alive?

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FatBuddha - Anyone alive who learned extensively from Billy Robinson's teacher (Billy Riley I believe) or from Robinson and can teach as close to how he did?

Billy Scott, Miyato, Sakuraba, josh barnett from Robinson, Tommy Heyes from Riley and the robbie brothers who were the big dogs at rileys gym


Thanks! Have you heard anything about Roy Wood who runs the Snake Pit in Wigan now apparently?
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Roy is a wrestling fool. the documentary "catch: the hold not taken" has a lot on roy.

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Roy is a wrestling fool. the documentary "catch: the hold not taken" has a lot on roy.


what do you mean "wrestling fool"? Is that a compliment or insult?
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a compliment meaning extreme dedication and skill derived from said dedication.

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if i called hulk hogan a wrestling fool it would have the opposite connotation

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a compliment meaning extreme dedication and skill derived from said dedication.


Ahh, gotcha. Thanks. I'd assume he's a master of all the catch material he learned from Riley?
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oh yeah, he's a mean motor scooter. Roy's done a lot of coaching in japan also

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oh yeah, he's a mean motor scooter. Roy's done a lot of coaching in japan also


Very cool. Would love to learn from him.
4 days ago
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Everyone loves to make believe that there is some esoteric knowledge out there that would completely defeat all other known styles, but modern grappling is already above all that. 1993 has come and gone.

4 days ago
1/1/01
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have you ever considered writing "the tao of diet butcher"

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10/27/03
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Tony must count as an old time guy by now ...

3 days ago
5/7/06
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There's are couple of guys in the greater manchester area. Daren Morris is one of em. 

3 days ago
5/7/06
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ASW and Nemesis guys are really knowledgeable on catch. 

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Dick Cardinal

 

That poor kid's neck...

This is just me spitballing, but catch legimitately seems harder on the body than BJJ does.

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FingerorMoon -

Tony must count as an old time guy by now ...

i'm glad to see you've recovered from the trauma that "Once upon a time in Hollywood" inflicted on your sheltered jkd sensibilities, enough to resume posting at least. I was afraid you were going to be in a dark place while trying to deal with tarantinos' bogus propaganda bullshit, which rings as hollow as the sound and the fury of one hand clapping along to earth,wind and fires' greatest hits

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joe_mama -
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Dick Cardinal

 

That poor kid's neck...

This is just me spitballing, but catch legimitately seems harder on the body than BJJ does.

look at the boyscouts article, they're crucifixing and neck strapping. it's good for them, they'll have 19" necks before they're 16 years old

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A snakepit japan commercial

 

 

And a short Billy Wicks instructional. Wicks was trained by henry kohlen, who in turn was trained by farmer burns. Burns had a large part in adding the finishing holds of jiudo and the handa newaza match style jiu jitsu into cacc. Billy has passed on but believe his student johnny huskey still runs their class in Asheville, NC. Asheville was the site of count komas academy for a good while in 1905 also

 

 

 

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8/20/16
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A snakepit japan commercial

 

 

And a short Billy Wicks instructional. Wicks was trained by henry kohlen, who in turn was trained by farmer burns. Burns had a large part in adding the finishing holds of jiudo and the handa newaza match style jiu jitsu into cacc. Billy has passed on but believe his student johnny huskey still runs their class in Asheville, NC. Asheville was the site of count komas academy for a good while in 1905 also

 

 

 

Wow, there was some great stuff in there. I wish the camera work was better.

2 days ago
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From 1912,

http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/wrestling-catch_as_catch_can_style_1912.pdf

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that's a good little book, it's from much earlier though, the 1906 and 1912 are just the spaulding reprints. The book is originally from 1892', this is an add for it from the january 1894 issue of physical education. The only reason i point this out is because some noob will see it, file it away and then trot it out as fact later. It's better to cut this kind of thing off at knees before it takes on a life of its own

 

1893-6-1

 

 

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and a scan from my 1910 black cover spaulding reprint for comparison, lest i be accused of being a lying rapscallion

 

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joe_mama - 
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Dick Cardinal

 

That poor kid's neck...

This is just me spitballing, but catch legimitately seems harder on the body than BJJ does.


A lot of catch that I've seen is like this. Painful holds and moves, but what's the point? In this situation, I'd rather take the back and go for the choke.
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Ghost of Farmer Burns is still around.
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1/1/01
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Jody Malenko is one of the younger guys. Karl Gotch always claimed that jody was unbeatable on the ground. Not sure if he's currently active or not. He's a pharmacist so didn't have to rely on prowrestling to make a living

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FingerorMoon -

Tony must count as an old time guy by now ...

i'm glad to see you've recovered from the trauma that "Once upon a time in Hollywood" inflicted on your sheltered jkd sensibilities, enough to resume posting at least. I was afraid you were going to be in a dark place while trying to deal with tarantinos' bogus propaganda bullshit, which rings as hollow as the sound and the fury of one hand clapping along to earth,wind and fires' greatest hits

Lol thanks. It was a long dark journey but I made it through to the other side thanks to Matt Furey’s Farmer Burns course.