David Jacobs' BJJGround Bob Anderson and Rolls Gracie

14 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 5433


Americana: Where American Wrestling met Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - Bob Anderson vs. Rolls Gracie(1978) First time I had seen this and (popped up in recommended videos) and glad I clicked on it. What a great piece of history. Side note, if it hasn't happened already should be easy to pup Bob in contact with Igor and Rolles Jr. to give them their Dad's medal....
13 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 39574
Terrific video and Bob Anderson is a Legend.

I've seen it before and my question is always this: HOW could the Gracies not already know the Americana(ude garami) at that point?

Ude Garami is one of the most basic submissions in Judo. It is unfathomable to me that they didn't already know it AND there are videos of the Gracies doing it many years before the Late 70s.

So this story I have never understood. --Maybe he showed them better mechanics? I don't know.


13 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 5434
shen - Terrific video and Bob Anderson is a Legend.

I've seen it before and my question is always this: HOW could the Gracies not already know the Americana(ude garami) at that point?

Ude Garami is one of the most basic submissions in Judo. It is unfathomable to me that they didn't already know it AND there are videos of the Gracies doing it many years before the Late 70s.

So this story I have never understood. --Maybe he showed them better mechanics? I don't know.


Good question.  Maybe the clue is in the video itself in that the Gracies were initially deceptive in getting Bob to train with them.  They asked to see a submission and he showed them what he knew so they named the move after him.  Kimura didn’t invent the move either but it’s called that after him as a sign of resoect as well...just speculation.

13 days ago
11/10/05
Posts: 7495
I'm not crying. You're crying!
What a great vid.
Some funny little things of note...
- Rolls basically pulled guard on Bob.
- Rolls submitted Bob with a foot lock.
- They did no-gi.


Shen - You are an absolute wealth of knowledge in both history and breadth of martial arts. Thanks for sharing it with us.
13 days ago
5/11/08
Posts: 2844
shen - Terrific video and Bob Anderson is a Legend.

I've seen it before and my question is always this: HOW could the Gracies not already know the Americana(ude garami) at that point?

Ude Garami is one of the most basic submissions in Judo. It is unfathomable to me that they didn't already know it AND there are videos of the Gracies doing it many years before the Late 70s.

So this story I have never understood. --Maybe he showed them better mechanics? I don't know.


I have the same question about the story of Rolls learning the triangle choke from a book and introducing it into GJJ. It's such an important move in judo, which was very well established in Brazil by that time, that it makes no sense to me that the Gracie's hadn't seen it before.

13 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 39577
Gumby - 
shen - Terrific video and Bob Anderson is a Legend.

I've seen it before and my question is always this: HOW could the Gracies not already know the Americana(ude garami) at that point?

Ude Garami is one of the most basic submissions in Judo. It is unfathomable to me that they didn't already know it AND there are videos of the Gracies doing it many years before the Late 70s.

So this story I have never understood. --Maybe he showed them better mechanics? I don't know.


Good question.  Maybe the clue is in the video itself in that the Gracies were initially deceptive in getting Bob to train with them.  They asked to see a submission and he showed them what he knew so they named the move after him.  Kimura didn’t invent the move either but it’s called that after him as a sign of resoect as well...just speculation.


That's kinda interesting...

I guess we do the same thing today, some top player will do a move really well and people will start calling it after them, even though the move is older than they are.

13 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 39578
Meatgrinder - I'm not crying. You're crying!
What a great vid.
Some funny little things of note...
- Rolls basically pulled guard on Bob.
- Rolls submitted Bob with a foot lock.
- They did no-gi.


Shen - You are an absolute wealth of knowledge in both history and breadth of martial arts. Thanks for sharing it with us.

That's a real compliment coming from you, thank you!
12 days ago
5/25/06
Posts: 916

Awesome post!

11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 2014

Bob is a good dude! 

11 days ago
3/15/15
Posts: 13886
Of course it is an exageeration. Of course they knew the Americana. It is as old as Judo and would have been one of the first submissions they learned. Refinments may have been given but of course they knew it.Thnere are old pictures of young Helio doing the Kimura so I don't see how the other would have been "Overlooked".
11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 22730

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