David Jacobs' BJJGround Coach/Instructor vs Training Partner

9 days ago
10/28/08
Posts: 1958
Soul Gravy -
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I think rolling partners are more important than most instructors generally.

If your instructor is there (some arent always), hands on, works in a systematic way through techniques and time(many dont), mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level (another issue with many) then your instructor might me more valuable.

What percentage of schools meet this?

 

what do you mean by  "mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level?"

 

 

That some instructors teach techniques that would never work in a live roll, or if they do work, probably only on someone not that good

why do they do this? BTW Pedro Sauer seminars are basiclly full of shit moves that dont work 

 

I've been lucky,Nearly every gym I've been to teaches practical stuff

I strongly disagree.  But I your expression of this recently changed how I perceive the teaching of others.  Knowing how much I value Pedro’s teaching and hearing your opposing opinion has me reevaluating the teaching I’ve wanted to dismiss as unuseful.  It’s made me want to be a little more careful in finding the usefulness I might be missing.  If that makes sense?


Yes. Like many Pedro students you're still have a tough time admitting that you're getting fed a bunch of BS. You need to get out more and break free. Good luck.

 

If you can’t learn something from a man that’s done BJJ for 40 years, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

 


Ari Bolden has a great limp arm.

What an assclown.

8 days ago
2/15/14
Posts: 696
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The Ghost Of Swayze -
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mideastgrappler -
Sajbjj -
mideastgrappler -
Strangleu -

I think rolling partners are more important than most instructors generally.

If your instructor is there (some arent always), hands on, works in a systematic way through techniques and time(many dont), mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level (another issue with many) then your instructor might me more valuable.

What percentage of schools meet this?

 

what do you mean by  "mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level?"

 

 

That some instructors teach techniques that would never work in a live roll, or if they do work, probably only on someone not that good

why do they do this? BTW Pedro Sauer seminars are basiclly full of shit moves that dont work 

 

I've been lucky,Nearly every gym I've been to teaches practical stuff

I strongly disagree.  But I your expression of this recently changed how I perceive the teaching of others.  Knowing how much I value Pedro’s teaching and hearing your opposing opinion has me reevaluating the teaching I’ve wanted to dismiss as unuseful.  It’s made me want to be a little more careful in finding the usefulness I might be missing.  If that makes sense?


Yes. Like many Pedro students you're still have a tough time admitting that you're getting fed a bunch of BS. You need to get out more and break free. Good luck.

 

If you can’t learn something from a man that’s done BJJ for 40 years, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

 

I'm not saying he doesn't know anything, it's whether he will show effective techniques. It just seems in his seminars, he just shows stuff he probably hits on his  student who pale in. comparison to him

 

his techniques work good in theory but fail to deliver in practicality

8 days ago
6/24/05
Posts: 6406
Both instructors and training partners are incredibly important pieces of the learning process.

The coach can give you an overall framework to work with. Good training partners give you the direct feedback whether that framework works.

Good training partners can also be your coach, in that they have techniques that they have developed beyond the coaches level of understanding, therefore they are the best resource to learn said techniques. For example, the coach may have a framework for a leg lock game, but the purple belt leg lock specialist at the gym may know more nuances and details for the leg lock game.
8 days ago
8/15/07
Posts: 16979
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Soul Gravy -
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The Ghost Of Swayze -
Setree - 
mideastgrappler -
Sajbjj -
mideastgrappler -
Strangleu -

I think rolling partners are more important than most instructors generally.

If your instructor is there (some arent always), hands on, works in a systematic way through techniques and time(many dont), mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level (another issue with many) then your instructor might me more valuable.

What percentage of schools meet this?

 

what do you mean by  "mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level?"

 

 

That some instructors teach techniques that would never work in a live roll, or if they do work, probably only on someone not that good

why do they do this? BTW Pedro Sauer seminars are basiclly full of shit moves that dont work 

 

I've been lucky,Nearly every gym I've been to teaches practical stuff

I strongly disagree.  But I your expression of this recently changed how I perceive the teaching of others.  Knowing how much I value Pedro’s teaching and hearing your opposing opinion has me reevaluating the teaching I’ve wanted to dismiss as unuseful.  It’s made me want to be a little more careful in finding the usefulness I might be missing.  If that makes sense?


Yes. Like many Pedro students you're still have a tough time admitting that you're getting fed a bunch of BS. You need to get out more and break free. Good luck.

 

If you can’t learn something from a man that’s done BJJ for 40 years, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

 


Ari Bolden has a great limp arm.

What an assclown.


Are you saying he doesn't have a great limp arm?
8 days ago
4/2/13
Posts: 6288
Brian McLaughlin -

As the top instructors age the idea that they will personally be a rolling partner will have to be thrown away. In no other sport is the coach expected to be going live with the athlete. Jon Smith isn't shooting low singles these days, nor should he be expected to

He probably still could though.  And the Brands brothers.

8 days ago
10/28/08
Posts: 1959
Soul Gravy -
Setree - 
Soul Gravy -
Setree - 
The Ghost Of Swayze -
Setree - 
mideastgrappler -
Sajbjj -
mideastgrappler -
Strangleu -

I think rolling partners are more important than most instructors generally.

If your instructor is there (some arent always), hands on, works in a systematic way through techniques and time(many dont), mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level (another issue with many) then your instructor might me more valuable.

What percentage of schools meet this?

 

what do you mean by  "mostly teaches techniques that work at a high level?"

 

 

That some instructors teach techniques that would never work in a live roll, or if they do work, probably only on someone not that good

why do they do this? BTW Pedro Sauer seminars are basiclly full of shit moves that dont work 

 

I've been lucky,Nearly every gym I've been to teaches practical stuff

I strongly disagree.  But I your expression of this recently changed how I perceive the teaching of others.  Knowing how much I value Pedro’s teaching and hearing your opposing opinion has me reevaluating the teaching I’ve wanted to dismiss as unuseful.  It’s made me want to be a little more careful in finding the usefulness I might be missing.  If that makes sense?


Yes. Like many Pedro students you're still have a tough time admitting that you're getting fed a bunch of BS. You need to get out more and break free. Good luck.

 

If you can’t learn something from a man that’s done BJJ for 40 years, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

 


Ari Bolden has a great limp arm.

What an assclown.


Are you saying he doesn't have a great limp arm?

I’d imagine it’s just like everything else he does.

8 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 4492
Brian McLaughlin -

A good coach will produce good training partners. Good training partners alone will not produce a good coach 

/thread as far as i'm concerned