Brian McLaughlin -
I know a sport BJJ black belt that got cocky with a guy at a bar and got put to sleep, there are definitely some folks who over estimate themselves
Speaking to that a black belt cop that trains at our gym had a similar experience. He was a major guard player and got into an altercation with someone he was trying to arrest. Shit started happening and he pulled guard out of habit from training and he nearly got knocked out in the scuffle. He said he completely changed his training after that incident and just reminded us that when shit goes crazy that you revert back to your training habits and you have to train in a fashion that would protect you in a fight.
that is a result of stupid individual decision making
I have a friend who is a cop and former heavyweight pro-boxer. He was a murderous KO puncher during his career. He was making an arrest alone in a bad neighborhood that had a gang of hoodlums around him. As he was cuffing the guy, another challenged him to a fistfight and if they won, my friend would have to let the homeboy off the cuffs and walk free. My friend agreed, fought the other guy one on one. 2 of the frist 3 punches thrown by my friend KO'd the challenger stiff and another guy jumped in and was also immediately KO'd by the next punch thrown. However, 5 more guys jumped on my friend and mobbed him and nearly beat him to death. My friend was hospitalized and unable to work for the next couple months. Should he have changed his training to dealt with this? No, he just made a a mistake in decision making. I've seen many guard playing officers successfully restrain and take down assailants without pulling guard.
Both your black belt cop and my friend are both just f**king idiots at the moment when they were under tremendous pressure
This is slightly different, apples to oranges. You're talking a 1v1 and someone being jumped.
yes, slightly different but th root of it all was the same-stupid decision making.
Did Ryan Hall choose to Imanari Roll his way into restraining that guy he choked in the burger place? No, he RNC's the guy even though he has probably drilled Imanari Roll a few thousand times by now
Yes but Ryan Hall is also the 1% of 1% who trains everyday. Not a guy with a day job, wife, kids etc.
Also stupid decision yes, but sometimes these things are unavoidable.
The guard pulling cop did a dumb one by pulling guard under stress. At even at the mere hint of an escalation, pulling guard should not have even been in the vocabulary
My pro-boxer cop friend did a dumb one by agreeing to fight one guy in mutual combat in a bad neighborhood when the guy had 7 of his thug homies waiting around him. Agreeing to a one on one fight should not have been in the vocabulary.
I see your point though
Normal people and not 1%ers can and should train everything within reason. Training sport BJJ, which includes takedowns and restraints conrol should not be neglected at all. Having the common sense to separate them in any given situation should be an intuitive thing
--"Normal people and not 1%ers can and should train everything within reason. Training sport BJJ, which includes takedowns and restraints conrol should not be neglected at all. Having the common sense to separate them in any given situation should be an intuitive thing"
Seems to me, the only peolle neglecting a facet of trai ing is the "sport is all you need" crowd.
Common sense isnt the issue....defaults, habits, comfort and foundation is. Fpr example, did a little half-cripple randori this morning with one of my partners during morning trainjng. My gripping has a lot of broad application to what i do for clinching and fighting. His was more specialized and focused for judo. Both work, but for me, not much changes and works well enough for sport/recreation and I get to always practice.things that I will use....indont have to change or adapt.