David Jacobs' BJJGround Does anyone feel sport bjj....

22 days ago
2/9/09
Posts: 9287
Kahunadog -

MG

Brilliant personal attack. 

 

Why did Ryan Hall- 

1. Ignore the known threat by turning his back? While remaining seated to a known disruptive threat?

2. double leg takedown the opponent in a street fight? Hes a world class bb. He could've chosen atleast 5 other techniques. 

I love RH material, I love his scientific approach. I do dislike his blinking... hehehe. 

Sport fighting builds incredible attributes for street fighting, self defense and law enforcement. 

 

But sport fighting isn't complete. 

Does sport fighting incorporate knives, clubs, guns and improv weapons? 3rd parties? Obstacles? Vehicles? Most sport fighting do not. 

 

If some random homeless guy attacked you with a machete for parking in his home. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If some drunk frat guy with his 3 friends started hanging on your wife. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If you did a double legged take down near perfect... would his hands still be free? To stab you. To shoot you. 

 

 

You badgered Sgtslaphead. 

You do know people in the world do/did real violence and or consultation of such as their profession? And not just street fight right? 

“But sport fighting isn't complete.”

 

Thats the thing, most BJJers takedowns SUCK. Yet they’re confident in them.

 

Also, you wanna roll around on the concrete? Or Be rolling around on the ground against multiple attackers. Sounds like a great way to get soccer kicked

22 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 8573
Kahunadog - 

MG

Brilliant personal attack. 

 

Why did Ryan Hall- 

1. Ignore the known threat by turning his back? While remaining seated to a known disruptive threat?

2. double leg takedown the opponent in a street fight? Hes a world class bb. He could've chosen atleast 5 other techniques. 

I love RH material, I love his scientific approach. I do dislike his blinking... hehehe. 

Sport fighting builds incredible attributes for street fighting, self defense and law enforcement. 

 

But sport fighting isn't complete. 

Does sport fighting incorporate knives, clubs, guns and improv weapons? 3rd parties? Obstacles? Vehicles? Most sport fighting do not. 

 

If some random homeless guy attacked you with a machete for parking in his home. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If some drunk frat guy with his 3 friends started hanging on your wife. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If you did a double legged take down near perfect... would his hands still be free? To stab you. To shoot you. 

 

 

You badgered Sgtslaphead. 

You do know people in the world do/did real violence and or consultation of such as their profession? And not just street fight right? 


Dude,

Personal attack?

HA! You're funny!

The only people who would need a "professional" to consult them about "real violence" are people who live in a bubble and are total isolated from reality.

Unlike people like yourself, I don't need professional consultation about real violence. I, like many people in this world, have witness, lived through, experienced REAL IMPACTFUL VIOLENCE and I'm not just talking just "street fights"...

Catch a clue....
21 days ago
6/22/19
Posts: 39
The Closed Guard -
Kahunadog -

MG

Brilliant personal attack. 

 

Why did Ryan Hall- 

1. Ignore the known threat by turning his back? While remaining seated to a known disruptive threat?

2. double leg takedown the opponent in a street fight? Hes a world class bb. He could've chosen atleast 5 other techniques. 

I love RH material, I love his scientific approach. I do dislike his blinking... hehehe. 

Sport fighting builds incredible attributes for street fighting, self defense and law enforcement. 

 

But sport fighting isn't complete. 

Does sport fighting incorporate knives, clubs, guns and improv weapons? 3rd parties? Obstacles? Vehicles? Most sport fighting do not. 

 

If some random homeless guy attacked you with a machete for parking in his home. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If some drunk frat guy with his 3 friends started hanging on your wife. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If you did a double legged take down near perfect... would his hands still be free? To stab you. To shoot you. 

 

 

You badgered Sgtslaphead. 

You do know people in the world do/did real violence and or consultation of such as their profession? And not just street fight right? 

“But sport fighting isn't complete.”

 

Thats the thing, most BJJers takedowns SUCK. Yet they’re confident in them.

 

Also, you wanna roll around on the concrete? Or Be rolling around on the ground against multiple attackers. Sounds like a great way to get soccer kicked

The closed guard.

I don't advocate rolling on concrete. 

I advocate training sport fighting to develop certain skills and attributes for fighting. Whether sport or on the street.

My post wasn't clear with that. I was responding to Mg thought process of "all you need to survive in the street is sport fighting."

 

That was in his supportive evidence of an article with a drunk blue belt fighting drunk irishmen. In said article the blue belt mounts one guy and proceeds to gnp. Unbeknownst to him, the downed guys friend decides to hit him from behind. At which point the blue belt gets the other guy with gnp. There's multiple errors in this thought process of reinforcing that winning a fight vs a drunk guy, allow yourself to mount, to be flanked with a seperate opponent, being struck by a second drunk and mounting then gnp that guy.

This thought process of all you need is sport is ironically the opposite of old tma guys who thought all I need is my tma. 

 

21 days ago
6/22/19
Posts: 40
m.g -
Kahunadog - 

MG

Brilliant personal attack. 

 

Why did Ryan Hall- 

1. Ignore the known threat by turning his back? While remaining seated to a known disruptive threat?

2. double leg takedown the opponent in a street fight? Hes a world class bb. He could've chosen atleast 5 other techniques. 

I love RH material, I love his scientific approach. I do dislike his blinking... hehehe. 

Sport fighting builds incredible attributes for street fighting, self defense and law enforcement. 

 

But sport fighting isn't complete. 

Does sport fighting incorporate knives, clubs, guns and improv weapons? 3rd parties? Obstacles? Vehicles? Most sport fighting do not. 

 

If some random homeless guy attacked you with a machete for parking in his home. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If some drunk frat guy with his 3 friends started hanging on your wife. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If you did a double legged take down near perfect... would his hands still be free? To stab you. To shoot you. 

 

 

You badgered Sgtslaphead. 

You do know people in the world do/did real violence and or consultation of such as their profession? And not just street fight right? 


Dude,

Personal attack?

HA! You're funny!

The only people who would need a "professional" to consult them about "real violence" are people who live in a bubble and are total isolated from reality.

Unlike people like yourself, I don't need professional consultation about real violence. I, like many people in this world, have witness, lived through, experienced REAL IMPACTFUL VIOLENCE and I'm not just talking just "street fights"...

Catch a clue....

 

Re-"personal attack?"

You specifically called me a "Moron"... ? 

Professionals need Professionals to consult them. Whether you're a salesman, psychoanalyst, or etc. 

BUT,

I was specifically referring to military, law enforcement, EMS and fire. Your posts are enough to inform me you're not. 

Maybe you're some well to do kid? 

 

 

21 days ago
6/22/19
Posts: 41
m.g - I meant to say:

How can you prove with "empirical evidence" that combat sport isn't all that one needs to defend oneself in the street? It is something you can't prove with "empirical evidence" MORON

In other words, you can not say there is empirical evidence that a combat sport (namely Bjj) is complete adequate by itself or inadequate for a so called street fight.

You can make a case either way base on anecdotal evidence but not empirical evidence.

Re- " you cannot say there is empirical evidence that a combat sport is complete adequate by itself or inadequate in a street fight"

Ryan Hall double legged takedown, an unknown belligerent aggressor. 

As far as I know all double legged takedowns involve controlling the legs with both your arms and driving. This leaves your opponents hands free.

That's fine when there's no pockets, belts, holsters with concealed knives, screwdrivers, pistols...

But, even a 12yo female being double legged could put a hole in a person who does such a takedown outside of the mat. 

 

That is fairly clear to constitute defaulting a double legged takedown on the mat, ring does not transfer to the street.

Vs a greco type takedown. 

 

20 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 8574
Kahunadog - 
m.g -
Kahunadog - 

MG

Brilliant personal attack. 

 

Why did Ryan Hall- 

1. Ignore the known threat by turning his back? While remaining seated to a known disruptive threat?

2. double leg takedown the opponent in a street fight? Hes a world class bb. He could've chosen atleast 5 other techniques. 

I love RH material, I love his scientific approach. I do dislike his blinking... hehehe. 

Sport fighting builds incredible attributes for street fighting, self defense and law enforcement. 

 

But sport fighting isn't complete. 

Does sport fighting incorporate knives, clubs, guns and improv weapons? 3rd parties? Obstacles? Vehicles? Most sport fighting do not. 

 

If some random homeless guy attacked you with a machete for parking in his home. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If some drunk frat guy with his 3 friends started hanging on your wife. Would you be confident to engage?

 

If you did a double legged take down near perfect... would his hands still be free? To stab you. To shoot you. 

 

 

You badgered Sgtslaphead. 

You do know people in the world do/did real violence and or consultation of such as their profession? And not just street fight right? 


Dude,

Personal attack?

HA! You're funny!

The only people who would need a "professional" to consult them about "real violence" are people who live in a bubble and are total isolated from reality.

Unlike people like yourself, I don't need professional consultation about real violence. I, like many people in this world, have witness, lived through, experienced REAL IMPACTFUL VIOLENCE and I'm not just talking just "street fights"...

Catch a clue....

 

Re-"personal attack?"

You specifically called me a "Moron"... ? 

Professionals need Professionals to consult them. Whether you're a salesman, psychoanalyst, or etc. 

BUT,

I was specifically referring to military, law enforcement, EMS and fire. Your posts are enough to inform me you're not. 

Maybe you're some well to do kid? 

 

 


Yawn...
20 days ago
6/22/19
Posts: 42
The Closed Guard -

Gives a false sense of security or confidence to lower belts, Purple and under lets say.  

 

I feel like many sport bjj guys are so quick to pull guard, never start with strikes, avoid wrestling etc that all of this changes the game.

 

Im asking because some friends and I were talking and they (blue and purple respectively) were so confident they would win in a street fight against most random people...

 

I know its a very silly conversation to have but they’re both smaller-ish maybe 5’7”-5’9” and 170-175 max.  But by nature they aren’t very aggressive or tough people,  and I personally know their takedowns are terrible. 

 

With that said, I just feel like someday someone is going to have a rude awakening and possibly end up getting really hurt thinking they can handle themselves when they really can’t. 

 

 

Addressing the original post.

Yes, I do believe a lot of trained people that do a lot of sport work are overconfident and ignorant. 

Many miss chunks of critical pieces that could get them hurt up to killed. Some just get lucky. The real obtuse individuals refuse to note their luck and attribute all of their survivability to sport training. 

 

 

 

1 day ago
1/1/01
Posts: 13667

Came across this again on my FB and thought of 5his thread. Ive posted this and others in various threads.

 

 

 

https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/20975860_123981044910442_8398711330743255040_n.mp4?_nc_cat=101&efg=eyJybHIiOjMwMCwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic3ZlX3NkIn0%3D&_nc_oc=AQn9YKgTJ6r3zyASkmMubAWwykWvKuNS0S5j9s_KVyWIp8eb8lgP8QS05A75zLJh_-0&_nc_ht=video-lax3-1.xx&oh=696d1d8bc686346b5249927381f20a54&oe=5D5E3402

 

 

 

this guy looked skilled.... ut failed to "adjust on the fly" and/or had programed defaults.

 

But im full of shit, never been in a fight and have no idea wtf im talking about. ZHOOZHITSU, BES SPORD INNA WIRL IS ALL YOU NEED!

22 hours ago
11/13/09
Posts: 3295

Here's another way of looking at it.  Does sport BJJ prepare you better than nothing?  I would submit that it does.  Does it empasize closing distance safely?  No not really.  Does it train de-escalation, running away and threat recognition?  Nope.  Does it deal with weapons?  Not in the least.  As a 40 year old with 4 kids and a 60 hour a week job is it better than sitting on the couch an becoming obese shell of a man?  Probably so.  I'm stronger than I would be, I have better cardio and I understand what it's like to try to control a full grown man (as well as professional MMA fighters).  As a result of this, I have no desire to tangle with anyone at anytime unless my family's life is in danger.

21 hours ago
1/1/01
Posts: 13668

i have no problem with that.

 

Just just market it as a sport and not for defense....certainly dont make the claim sport "is all you need" either for fighting or defense.