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I second The Ghost of Swayze
ALthough Sauer has trained good guys, he often teaches in his seminars techniques that dont work. Yup, I said it. They seem like the type of moves you can make work when you train with much lower ranked/skilled students often enough to understand their rhythm and patterns and then use your superior experience and skill to create some new technique on them. Techniques sound in principle and concept, but really work because of the massive skill gap and unlikely to work against someone of equal or more skill
His seminars are guilty of being filled with techniques like this. Every time he comes around for a seminar and I know dozens of people who attend, can never really use much of what he shows even though they all think he showed amazing stuff
I will respond, because I understand what you mean, but I disagree with your conclusion.
Let me relate an experience I had years ago attending a Pedro Sauer seminar. I attended with a Japanese exchange student who was training with us, he was a black belt in Judo, from Japan, and highly skilled and competed seriously for a few years. They seem have a different way of thinking there in some contexts outside of competition, the best word I can use to describe it is: traditional.
When he saw Pedro showing these moves, he stated after, in awe, that Pedro was a Insert Japanese Word here because I do not not know what it was but (Judo people help me here) it roughly translated to what I call kata, or as he meant, perfect technique and understanding of connecting moves through a deep understanding of concepts. What he meant was the highest level of expression of the art. It's hard to put into words as he discussed it as a traditional concept in Judo. IT does NOT mean that they will work just as is, but are a pure expression that that must be trained and adapted by each player.
And there is the problem, people leave these seminars thinking that it will work like magic, because it is so crisp and clean. This is not true.
I will say this: For a number of years I trained mostly Pedro Sauer moves as my base, mostly off of his tapes, and videos of his seminars. They work. Period. All the moves I trained worked for me. Especially escapes from side-mount, turtle, mount control, and arm-locks (that is what I mostly focused on) Now I had to do lots of repetition, work on timing in training, etc. but they are great.
But I do understand, as this is a different approach then a world champion showing his moves that worked for him in competition. Stripped down. Focused. Worked at highest levels. There is a risk of missing things when we only focus on that.
But I have also been to a seminar of a world champion where most of us after could not pull off the moves.
The other thing to consider (I am only basing this off of 3 Sauer-affiliates I have been to in 15 years so I could be wrong) but the clientele is different. I found most people there were not serious competitors and the people signing up were "every day" people and older people too. He has so many affiliates that there is no way they can be filled with champions. I have seen this with Gracie barra too. One school will be killers and another 2 that I have been to are "family" sort of places.
Compare this to the Carlson affiliate school I attended where training was balls to the walls and mostly "assertive" young 20 somethings.
Having said that, I can loosely say that Pedro's teaching remind me more about the understanding and art of BJJ as compared to simple application and competition. There are masters in Judo like this too.
That's my take, I absolutely love his stuff. But I think many people need to realise, a lot of these techniques are "possibilities" that you need to take and train, and refine, and train some more rather than end products ready for the Mundials.
But I do agree that there will be schools with varying levels due to clientele and the fact there are so many affiliates that quality control is probably an issue.