David Jacobs' BJJGround Huge PEDRO SAUER Treasure Trove of Jiu Jitsu Video

8/18/19 5:43 PM
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Trained under Pedro Sauer for 10 years. Got my blue, purple and 1 stripe on it under him. I left due to issues with the affiliation practices. I never had an issue with anything he taught at seminars, outside of the fact that in 10 years I never once saw him teach the self defense stuff. Ever. But rolling with him is like rolling with an empty gi top that taps you. A lot. It was something.

8/18/19 6:41 PM
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There is a local school that is a recent Sauer affiliate. From following their social media posts it seemed the head instructor went from brown to black relatively quickly as did his two top students. Now I don't know these guys personally and Im not saying they don't deserve the rank. It just seemed a little accelerated compared to what I've seen at other places.

8/19/19 2:20 PM
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Hi Kroger, not sure why those guys were promoted so fast. It took me 10 years to get my black belt, but my path was a bit more old school and I think guys need to wait a bit to receive their black belt in Jiu Jitsu to maintain the integrity of the art.
I also typically have guys train a year and a half or longer for their blue belt and am pretty stringent with rank advancement simply because I had to pay my dues, others need to do the same.

8/19/19 11:41 PM
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itsahak, did you train directly under Pedro Sauer or was it with an affiliate?
It sounds like you trained directly under him. I am surprised he never showed
any self defense!? Whenever I see him, he always shows that first and that
is crazy to hear. We separate ourselves by the fact that we emphasize the
self defense.
Anyway, cool to hear you trained under him.
My first academy was in Northern Virginia where the headquarters are now
located. So dont know if you started there, but sounds like you've been training
for a bit..

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<blockquote>CountKomaNewsletter - <span id='userPost64672521' class='User-127206'>itsahak, did you train directly under Pedro Sauer or was it with an affiliate?<br />It sounds like you trained directly under him. I am surprised he never showed<br />any self defense!? Whenever I see him, he always shows that first and that<br />is crazy to hear. We separate ourselves by the fact that we emphasize the <br />self defense.<br />Anyway, cool to hear you trained under him. <br />My first academy was in Northern Virginia where the headquarters are now<br />located. So dont know if you started there, but sounds like you've been training<br />for a bit..</span></blockquote><br /> Through Frank Cucci originally, way back before Linxx Academy when he was still FDC (Functional Defensive Concepts). Then through Joe Gray when he opened his school as it was two hours closer to us. We never did get Prof. Sauer to our school. But in all that time, I never once saw a single self defense technique from him, Mr. C or Joe. Not saying they didn't know them or train them, just not in the seminar format during the early 90's... But I can say this, the man can move on the mat. I got to roll with him a few times, and it was like fighting an empty kimono that kicked your ass.

8/31/19 5:49 PM
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Hi itsahak,
So you were with Cucci for a bit huh? I worked with him right after 9-11 and then moved out of state. He went on to create a huge personal protection team with government contracts and he made BIG money! Frank was definitely a business minded guy.
I also knew Joe Gray through Pedro's seminars in n. Virginia.
Did you ever meet Todd Margolis or Nakapan or Jeff Rockwell?

9/3/19 9:37 PM
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CountKomaNewsletter - Hi itsahak,
So you were with Cucci for a bit huh? I worked with him right after 9-11 and then moved out of state. He went on to create a huge personal protection team with government contracts and he made BIG money! Frank was definitely a business minded guy.
I also knew Joe Gray through Pedro's seminars in n. Virginia.
Did you ever meet Todd Margolis or Nakapan or Jeff Rockwell?

I was a MT and MMA referee for Brent Pierces Kickfest and fight events in Danville, as well as the WKA and the GCA from 2000 through 2010. I reffed one of Nakapan's first fights. He cracked his opponent with a head kick that started in South America and damn near landed the guys head in to the third row! I didn't even wait to see the guy fall before stepping in and stopping it. Neither Todd nor Jeff ring a bell. The main guys when we were going down there were Steve Rainer, Scott Turner, Patt Trey was there but wasn't training super consistent due to still being in the teams. There was another guy that became the program manager when it became Linxx and moved off of VA Beach Blvd, he went on to be a firearms instructor with either VA PD or Norfolk PD. Name escapes me right now.
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Ari Bolden lineage here

9/17/19 12:27 AM
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When Rickson Gracie came to SLC, Utah and taught a seminar at Pedro Sauer's school.  This was the famous location in Salt Lake City that where the Pedro Sauer name started to attract a lot of students and many people began to hear about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and train at our school. 

One day we were driving around looking for another place and I saw this place on State Street.  It was perfect with tons of windows and walk/drive by traffic every day!

 

9/17/19 12:34 AM
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This is a shorter version, but seems to be a bit clearer.  

 

9/17/19 5:28 AM
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I am in the PS lineage under Jeff Curran. Jeff even stated at an affiliate gathering that he wants to keep his number of affiliates low instead of countless like PS. Like less than 10 and only in the Midwest area where he can frequently see and keep in touch with his associates.He wasn't talking bad about Pedro or anything but just has different preferences. He holds Pedro in very high regard but doesn't go overboard with the cult like hero worship of guys like Ari Knaazen Bolden. 

Very high level instruction coming out of Curran's.

Curran is legit as heck

 

How does he feel being in the same association and having the same instructor as guys like Ari Bolden and Keith Owen for another?

9/17/19 6:59 PM
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Chesumodo -

I am in the PS lineage under Jeff Curran. Jeff even stated at an affiliate gathering that he wants to keep his number of affiliates low instead of countless like PS. Like less than 10 and only in the Midwest area where he can frequently see and keep in touch with his associates.He wasn't talking bad about Pedro or anything but just has different preferences. He holds Pedro in very high regard but doesn't go overboard with the cult like hero worship of guys like Ari Knaazen Bolden. 

Very high level instruction coming out of Curran's.

Curran is legit as heck

 

How does he feel being in the same association and having the same instructor as guys like Ari Bolden and Keith Owen for another?

Hmmm I should ask him. Although maybe I shouldn't. I wonder how he feels about it. 

Of all the black belts under Pedro there are now(probably a couple hundred by now) I think Jeff was in the first 5 or so.

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This is one of my favorite Closed Guard setups for getting a Choke, Armlock or Omo Plata.  

Any other guys here that love the Overhook Guard game?  I hate getting my arm Overhooked!

 

 

9/20/19 7:18 PM
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Pedro Sauer Knee on Belly Attacking the Near-side arm which prevents Recomposing to Guard. 

 

9/20/19 8:40 PM
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Pedro Sauer Knee on Belly Attacking the Near-side arm which prevents Recomposing to Guard. 

 

this is brilliant

9/25/19 12:30 PM
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Utah's first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Women's Self Defense Seminar.  

 

9/25/19 12:32 PM
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The 'Trailing Leg' Mount Escape.  I like using this move if I have someone Crossbody me and I'm having a difficult time getting out of their Sidemount, so I will bait them to take mount and use the Trailing Leg escape.

 

9/29/19 9:12 AM
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Some of the best bjj out there, I'm proud to be at a Pedro Sauer affiliate, the level of JiuJitsu taught and the way its taught is unparalleled imo


Unparalleled? You clearly don't get out much.
9/29/19 3:52 PM
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Thanks for the post pennviachoke!
Professor Sauer, after taking privates with Rickson Gracie for dozens
of years and being a personal student of Helio Gracie, he definitely has a
unique way of explaining things that is not run-of-the-mill knowledge and
in many respects IS singular.

PS Are you East Coast or West Coast?

9/29/19 4:24 PM
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Setree - 
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CountKomaNewsletter - no thanks huh ghost? Sorry dude, no swayze homos
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I second The Ghost of Swayze

 

ALthough Sauer has trained good guys, he often teaches in his seminars techniques that dont work. Yup, I said it. They seem like the type of moves you can make work when you train with much lower ranked/skilled students often enough to understand their rhythm and patterns and then use your superior experience and skill to create some new technique on them. Techniques sound in principle and concept, but really work because of the massive skill gap and unlikely to work against someone of equal or more skill

 

His seminars are guilty of being filled with techniques like this. Every time he comes around for a seminar and I know dozens of people who attend, can never really use much of what he shows even though they all think he showed amazing stuff

 

Full disclosure: I got my blackbelt from Pedro.

 

It's my belief that moves that "work against someone my skill level" are moves that rely on luck and/or chaos.  I've made it my course to reduce luck and chaos.  This would mean that if you are on my level, we'll stall.  If you are better than me, you'll most certainly win.  And if I'm better than you, I'll certainly win.

 

It's interesting to me that you want moves that work against guys better than you.  It's completely foreign to my way of thinking.

 

 


i'm confused by this line of thinking. so are you saying that you should only train techniques that will work on people worse than you? how can you get better like that?

so if you're a two stripe white belt you should only learn moves that will work against someone who has no idea what BJJ is? but you wouldn't want to learn moves against another white belt who has a basic understanding of BJJ.

if you're a blue belt you only learn sweeps that can catch white belts? but you shouldn't learn a sweep that could be used to catch another blue belt?

also, out of curiosity, when you say that you're a pedro sauer black belt, does that mean that you trained at his dojo or was it one of those affiliate things? i was always curious how those things worked.
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tapnaporsnapbro - 
Setree - 
mideastgrappler -
CountKomaNewsletter - no thanks huh ghost? Sorry dude, no swayze homos
on this thread.




I second The Ghost of Swayze

 

ALthough Sauer has trained good guys, he often teaches in his seminars techniques that dont work. Yup, I said it. They seem like the type of moves you can make work when you train with much lower ranked/skilled students often enough to understand their rhythm and patterns and then use your superior experience and skill to create some new technique on them. Techniques sound in principle and concept, but really work because of the massive skill gap and unlikely to work against someone of equal or more skill

 

His seminars are guilty of being filled with techniques like this. Every time he comes around for a seminar and I know dozens of people who attend, can never really use much of what he shows even though they all think he showed amazing stuff

 

Full disclosure: I got my blackbelt from Pedro.

 

It's my belief that moves that "work against someone my skill level" are moves that rely on luck and/or chaos.  I've made it my course to reduce luck and chaos.  This would mean that if you are on my level, we'll stall.  If you are better than me, you'll most certainly win.  And if I'm better than you, I'll certainly win.

 

It's interesting to me that you want moves that work against guys better than you.  It's completely foreign to my way of thinking.

 

 


i'm confused by this line of thinking. so are you saying that you should only train techniques that will work on people worse than you? how can you get better like that?

so if you're a two stripe white belt you should only learn moves that will work against someone who has no idea what BJJ is? but you wouldn't want to learn moves against another white belt who has a basic understanding of BJJ.

if you're a blue belt you only learn sweeps that can catch white belts? but you shouldn't learn a sweep that could be used to catch another blue belt?

also, out of curiosity, when you say that you're a pedro sauer black belt, does that mean that you trained at his dojo or was it one of those affiliate things? i was always curious how those things worked.

I'm not clear on this either. Hopefully Setree sees this at some point.
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What is the best way to train at another school as a drop-in??  Or you may have moved to a new area and want to find another great group of guys to train with!  Professor Sauer gives some of the best advice I have ever heard on this matter.

"SPONGE, SPONGE!"

 

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