David Jacobs' BJJGround Keenan on Flo Interview....Thoughts?

5/15/19 2:00 PM
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Instead of ranting, I'd like to get other thoughts first....particularly from Students, Instructors and Academy Owners.  

5/15/19 3:20 PM
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About what?

5/16/19 6:48 PM
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I thought what he said about the creonte culture was spot on. If you don't like it somewhere, then leave. It's a free market and you're paying to there.

He essentially said it only serves gym owners with that kind of "loyalty" and a real loyalty would be friendships not belonging to the "team name". 

 

5/16/19 6:50 PM
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Count Koma wrote this in the unifrom thread and I am no way being disrespectful just using it as an example.

closed guard,
Your apparently NOT an academy owner like myself or the several other people that are on this forum. Running a school is a challenge and is a BUSINESS. So if you want to be a cheap ass, just tell your instructor,"oh hey dude, i'm going to go out an buy the latest shoyoroll on bjj deals, but I dont want to support the school"

I have guys coming in all the time buying our academy rashguards, fightshorts, dry fit shirts and gear bags. I recently invested $2K and bought a bunch of custom Gi's and sold them as a way to continue to brand the school. I dont care what your counter argument is because its vacuous. Running a school and a successful one, comes from your students supporting you and wanting to wear you gear. 
Next time your instructor says,"Who wants to get our latest rashguard or fight shorts?"
Be the first to raise your hand and support your team and your instructor who's busting his butt to run a successful school. 
My good frend Don Franks who trains at Spark Jiu Jitsu in Norcal printed up a bunch of flyers when we were going to watch a tournament and he was just passing them out to people.
Man, you can't pay enough for a student to have that kind of loyalty and sharing the school name around town!

Take a moment and go to google reviews and write a kick ass review for your school and the instructor. People read those reviews all the time and they will join a school based solely on YOUR 5 star rating of your school. Rep it Bro! 
Count Koma

5/16/19 6:54 PM
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I think it's this mentality Keenan is talking about. You don't owe anyone anything. If you have students like this then cool, but realize it's a business at the end of the day and you're paying to be there.

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5/17/19 10:17 AM
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Jake95 -

Count Koma wrote this in the unifrom thread and I am no way being disrespectful just using it as an example.

closed guard,
Your apparently NOT an academy owner like myself or the several other people that are on this forum. Running a school is a challenge and is a BUSINESS. So if you want to be a cheap ass, just tell your instructor,"oh hey dude, i'm going to go out an buy the latest shoyoroll on bjj deals, but I dont want to support the school"

I have guys coming in all the time buying our academy rashguards, fightshorts, dry fit shirts and gear bags. I recently invested $2K and bought a bunch of custom Gi's and sold them as a way to continue to brand the school. I dont care what your counter argument is because its vacuous. Running a school and a successful one, comes from your students supporting you and wanting to wear you gear. 
Next time your instructor says,"Who wants to get our latest rashguard or fight shorts?"
Be the first to raise your hand and support your team and your instructor who's busting his butt to run a successful school. 
My good frend Don Franks who trains at Spark Jiu Jitsu in Norcal printed up a bunch of flyers when we were going to watch a tournament and he was just passing them out to people.
Man, you can't pay enough for a student to have that kind of loyalty and sharing the school name around town!

Take a moment and go to google reviews and write a kick ass review for your school and the instructor. People read those reviews all the time and they will join a school based solely on YOUR 5 star rating of your school. Rep it Bro! 
Count Koma

BJJ is categorized to be whatever is most convenient for these people

5/19/19 5:05 PM
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IMO, if you are a paying student, you don't owe that much. If you are a sponsored or non paying student, then the teacher can expect some sort of loyalty.
Edited: 5/20/19 5:41 PM
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I’d say a large majority of people are hobbiests that pay to attend a gym. I’m a 35 year old father of 3 with a career. I’m not in the gym to win tournaments, rep a school patch, or try to live the bjj lifestyle. Bjj is just exercise at this point. I think most people feel the same way. It’s more fun than going to the gym and it’s generally a fun environment you get to share with people that have a common interest. 

At the end of the day, I’m paying for a service. If your service doesn’t satisfy my needs, I will take my hard earned money elsewhere. 

I say this as someone who’s been trainjng for over 10 years. I also have two best friends that own very successful gyms, so I’m empathic to the situation. I just don’t believe in blind loyalty to some guy that’s good at grappling. It’s the strangest thing to me. 

5/20/19 9:08 PM
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A_Butler -

I’d say a large majority of people are hobbiests that pay to attend a gym. I’m a 35 year old father of 3 with a career. I’m not in the gym to win tournaments, rep a school patch, or try to live the bjj lifestyle. Bjj is just exercise at this point. I think most people feel the same way. It’s more fun than going to the gym and it’s generally a fun environment you get to share with people that have a common interest. 

At the end of the day, I’m paying for a service. If your service doesn’t satisfy my needs, I will take my hard earned money elsewhere. 

I say this as someone who’s been trainjng for over 10 years. I also have two best friends that own very successful gyms, so I’m empathic to the situation. I just don’t believe in blind loyalty to some guy that’s good at grappling. It’s the strangest thing to me. 

100% this. Especially if the team uniform is enforced after ive been training there. 

If it was like that from inception I could see the argument, as you know what you were getting into before you started. 

 

5/21/19 2:21 AM
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The term "creonte" is thrown around a lot and it's misunderstood.  Carlson didn't invent the word but he's likely responsible for making it so popular in BJJ.  Remember, Carlson was training guys like Vitor and others for free.  They would live in his home for free.  He would cook for them and pay for their travels/competition.  When those guys finally started getting a bit of financial success, they left Carlson.  It makes sense that he was pissed at those guys.  

For students that train for free under someone and suddenly jump to another school, it makes sense that the instructor is disturbed by their behavior.  

 

It will be interesting to see if Keenan changes his oppinions after he opens his academy.  I hope they interview him after a few years so we can hear his take.