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I like to think of the old vs. new school debate like this:
you can learn from two groups of people. The first is the old guard who thinks the old way is right and are sticking with it. Think perhaps your Roylers, Ricksons, maybe a Carlson jr. The top notch of the 90s.
or you could learn from the old guard who evolved with the modern day. Guys like Jacare, Fabio gurgel, Draculino, megaton. These guys are masters of the old school but recognize that Jiu Jitsu is getting better, not worse. They’re not afraid of showing up to tournaments. They’re learning in Jiu Jitsu evolves over multiple decades not just one. They recognize they don’t have all the answers and continue to learn. I know who I’d rather learn from
Gurgel, Draculino and Megaton are still all old school guys. As are Sperry, Busta, Wallid, Margarida, Gordo, Terere, Telles, the Machados, Nino Elvis, Pe de Pano, the Nogs, Allan Goes, Soneca, Liborio and Tinguinha. There was plenty of innovation and evolution back then, and most of them had at least one MMA fight.
The idea that Royce's appearances in the early UFCs and his almost dogmatic insistence on closed guard constitutes the ideology and extent of the old school is erroneous.
The problem is not that BJJ is evolving, it is the ruleset under which this evolution is occurring.
Not sure how your post even relates to what I said.
and exactly what rules are removing Jiu Jitsu from fighting? Should we go to all no gi sub only with heel hooks where every match is a butt scoring foot fest?
If competition is 5he focus of training, the rules that define it, influence training objectives and methods.....this is undeniable.
Training time is finite, if one seeks success in competition, efficiency require training to focus on what needs to be done under the environmental factors and rules. Youxre not gonna train gi ibjjfstyle when your next comp is ebi no gi.
Who care what some elite can do....what can the average joe do UNDER THAT TRAINING METHODOLOGY? How adaptable are they if they are stuck in that training environment, and what broader applicability does it have for the student's life outside of competition? Really, who/what is served by such a specialized trainijg method?.....the student or the industry of jiujitsu? I say the industry....look at how much money is thrown around.
LOL@jiujitsu, it's a lif....INDUSTRY!
Look at shen.....he defines the average joe! With his physical build and what seems to me, avg physical attributes. I'd pay way more attention to what he would show then what keenan, miyaos or mendes do. They have almost zero of interest to me. Jiujitsu used to be about the developing skills that mostly were attainable by the average person with average attributes. Why should we care ab out what a gumby or roidfreak athlete can do!?!?!?
Serious question...what if they don't care? I mean seriously, I'm a purple belt at a school that is mostly sport jiu jitsu focused. I'm not worried about myself in a street situation because I've trained martial arts for almost a decade but let's pretend my training is worthless like you seem to think...I'm mid 30s and live in an upper middle class area and don't ever really put myself in a situation where a self defense situation is realistic. I enjoy gi jiu jitsu, working collar sleeve, even dabble in lapel guard. Its just what I enjoy. Its a conscious choice on my part. Even if there was a 0% correlation with "fighting" I would still do what I do. (I still think some of you guys VASTLY overestimate how closely related your jiu jitsu is to fighting, but whatevs).
I agree. I don't care if it is streetworthy if I enjoy doing it. It's a hobby and sport. Having said that, I cannot watch many BJJ fights as they look utterly ridiculous and I have no ambition to learn, practice, and apply modern techniques like 50/50 nonsense. I like by BJJ basic, and to the point. But I appreciate the creativity.
jiujitsu at its "basic" pressure oriented foundations are a excellent base of skill which has much defensive applicability....so not caring about SD as a priority still has benefit. AND IS FUN TOO!
If.i not having fun why would i do this shit for so long?