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Michael Musumeci Jr. vs João Miyao at the 2017 World Championships
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Red Stuff - Michael Musumeci Jr. vs João Miyao at the 2017 World Championships

I don't understand how those dudes don't tap or have major injuries
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LMMFAO

 

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Red Stuff - Michael Musumeci Jr. vs João Miyao at the 2017 World Championships

I don't understand how those dudes don't tap or have major injuries

I don't either. 

I know some folks seem not to tap to toe holds in particular, but I've had my ankle "popped" by one applied by a strong blackbelt.  Quite loud and sudden, and immediately rotated past the range it had naturally stopped at moments before. 

Didn't hurt while the hold was applied or even when it "popped."  It hurt later that day though, and swelled up on the side.  It was sensitive for months thereafter whenever I had to sit over it (rolling up to combat base, etc.) or someone attempted any type of ankle attack.

My takeaway on toe holds is a bit like what everyone says about heel hooks--you don't know they're about to cause damage until they cause it.  

These guys (especially the Miyaos) seem to let their limbs get shredded rather than tap.  It's crazy.

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Modern gi BJJ under feather is unwatchable. Watch Bruno and Caio in this year's World's. God awful

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This is where the SD BJJ guys post and then later get sad when they realize 120 lbs BJJ dudes like Miyao would break there foot off in the streetz lol
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liquidrob - This is where the SD BJJ guys post and then later get sad when they realize 120 lbs BJJ dudes like Miyao would break there foot off in the streetz lol

We must have watched different videos.
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When people ask, "What is Brazilian Jiu jitsu...?"

I will simply show them that.
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Red Stuff - Michael Musumeci Jr. vs João Miyao at the 2017 World Championships

I don't understand how those dudes don't tap or have major injuries

I don't either. 

I know some folks seem not to tap to toe holds in particular, but I've had my ankle "popped" by one applied by a strong blackbelt.  Quite loud and sudden, and immediately rotated past the range it had naturally stopped at moments before. 

Didn't hurt while the hold was applied or even when it "popped."  It hurt later that day though, and swelled up on the side.  It was sensitive for months thereafter whenever I had to sit over it (rolling up to combat base, etc.) or someone attempted any type of ankle attack.

My takeaway on toe holds is a bit like what everyone says about heel hooks--you don't know they're about to cause damage until they cause it.  

These guys (especially the Miyaos) seem to let their limbs get shredded rather than tap.  It's crazy.

 

I bet Miyao's knees and feet are only attached by skin by now.  Would love to see an MRI of their joints.  Makes no sense.  

 

 

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You beat me to posting that pic lol

Alien level
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liquidrob - You beat me to posting that pic lol

Alien level

So true.  

Facial expressions need to be reversed in that pic.

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#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand

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Soul Gravy - #notmyjiujitsu

#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand


And it still wouldn't work with strikes, which defeats the purpose of the art as originally practised.
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i cringe everytime i see a toehold. i vividly rememeber eduardo telles vs margarida , and telles foot folded in half at the arch . a toehold isnt supposed to attack the foot like that from my experience, but when it broke and telles yelped, i was shocked.
then telles gets up and tries to straighten his foot out by "scraping" it along the ground, visibly in pain
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Red Stuff -

how utterly suburban

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Soul Gravy - #notmyjiujitsu

#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand


And it still wouldn't work with strikes, which defeats the purpose of the art as originally practised.

If you challenge them and tell them BJJ rules only, no strikes allowed, engage them, then sucker punch them since they're under the guise that strikes aren't allowed, then yes, they may not be as effective

 

Now if you man up and challenge them and tell them strikes allowed, grappling wise, you will probably still get your shit pushed in

 

Just like boxing.....you tell them their head movement won't work witht heir slipping and combinations....that's true if you make them think only boxing. But now tell them kicks are allowed, you may still catch them off guard but the chances of them whooping your ass witht heir specialty skills is still highly possible

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Soul Gravy - #notmyjiujitsu

#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand


And it still wouldn't work with strikes, which defeats the purpose of the art as originally practised.

If you challenge them and tell them BJJ rules only, no strikes allowed, engage them, then sucker punch them since they're under the guise that strikes aren't allowed, then yes, they may not be as effective

 

Now if you man up and challenge them and tell them strikes allowed, grappling wise, you will probably still get your shit pushed in

 

Just like boxing.....you tell them their head movement won't work witht heir slipping and combinations....that's true if you make them think only boxing. But now tell them kicks are allowed, you may still catch them off guard but the chances of them whooping your ass witht heir specialty skills is still highly possible

 If you are talking a sport trained guy and an elite, but just ad crappy strking....sure.

 

IMO there is so much more to training jiujitsu for fighting than just adding strikes. Competant striking, footwork, movements, controlling/pinn8ng and striking with.power&precision v flailing are very different.

 

And who cares what an elite athlete can do.....what can the averge joe do with that training methodology?.....is it useful, efficeint, effectivee?m

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hmmm...


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Horn vs Liddell UFC 19

What a great fight, by the way. Horn is so technical with his passing and transitions. He ended up putting Chuck to sleep with an arm triangle from bottom.
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in amateur wrestling(pre mid 50's) that was called a "stopper" toe hold and it wasn't considered a true submission hold, it was useful for getting someone to turn to their back

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Soul Gravy - #notmyjiujitsu

#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand


And it still wouldn't work with strikes, which defeats the purpose of the art as originally practised.

If you challenge them and tell them BJJ rules only, no strikes allowed, engage them, then sucker punch them since they're under the guise that strikes aren't allowed, then yes, they may not be as effective

 

Now if you man up and challenge them and tell them strikes allowed, grappling wise, you will probably still get your shit pushed in

 

Just like boxing.....you tell them their head movement won't work witht heir slipping and combinations....that's true if you make them think only boxing. But now tell them kicks are allowed, you may still catch them off guard but the chances of them whooping your ass witht heir specialty skills is still highly possible

 If you are talking a sport trained guy and an elite, but just ad crappy strking....sure.

 

IMO there is so much more to training jiujitsu for fighting than just adding strikes. Competant striking, footwork, movements, controlling/pinn8ng and striking with.power&precision v flailing are very different.

 

And who cares what an elite athlete can do.....what can the averge joe do with that training methodology?.....is it useful, efficeint, effectivee?m

I agree with what youre saying and I get it. But, most of the people on this thread are commenting specificly about Mikey and Miyao pictured in the original post and saying stuff about their BJJ not working, and those are who I was directing my comments towards. WHen in fact, their BJJ is more than what people see when they berimbolo, invert, play lapel guards, etc. and their basics are more fundamentally sound than majority of people who train BJJ for any purpose. Their basic passes, pressure, submission holds, and takedowns are immensely powerful but people shit on that because they see them berimbolo'ing nearly everytime in elite level competition

 

I guarantee their basic armbar from closed guard or mount has immensely more details, pressure, and breaking power in it than any Rickson Gracie trained black belt who focuses on realistic "Invisible" self defense jiujitsu

I also guarantee their entry and pressure in their takedown or bodylock is just as brutal than any self defense focused BJJ practioner that does spar with live strike and clinch skills. But their timing to enter vs strikes may not be as sharp because yes, they don't actively train those type of skills because their profession doesn't demand it. And this opens up doors for haters to demean and undermine their amazing skills which I find extrmely unfair  

 

 

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Your points are valid. They are indeed beyond most 9f us, certainly myself. I suppos peolles hate(or at least my own) for what is exhibited in this style of play is a reaction to what the art/style is beijg channeled to....absurdity, but indeed increcredibly skillful. Such is my gripe with sport eventually defining the style, its objectives of training and its technical repertoire.

 

 

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Soul Gravy - #notmyjiujitsu

#notyourjiujitsu for sure. Yours is obselete nowhere near that level. You think your jiujitsu is good but facts are, both guys have mastered fundamentals and basics at a level far beyond yours at a level you couldn't comprehend. Add in their intermediate and advanced games, they're speaking a language you don't even understand


LOL okay, guy.