David Jacobs' BJJGround Tougher training: BJJ, Judo, Wrestling?

7/28/14 10:45 AM
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There was one day where i did my bjj competition class, 1hr drilling, and then 1 hr with my wrestling coach. He said those 3.5 hrs dont even skim the surface of an iowa practice. .. Of course, this is iowa but still, i was pretty frickin tired damn it. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 10:49 AM
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wrestlers are usually dumb, they have to work harder.
7/28/14 11:44 AM
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Wrestling, then judo, then bjj

Wrestling is brutally difficult from a conditioning standpoint

Judo HURTS Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 7:32 PM
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Wrestling. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 7:49 PM
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raleigh - wrestlers are usually dumb, they have to work harder.
I know this is a troll but still. Wrestlers aren't stupid. Most go to college, even with a scholarship they know they can't really make money with it so they have to work hard in school, after school there is no options besides teaching unlike football or basketball.

Besides even if a wrestler is stupid, the mental discipline they have can make up for a lack of smarts.

Wrestlers have a level of mental and physical discipline unmatched by any other sport. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 8:03 PM
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The Wrestler
A Wrestler knocked at the pearly gates,
His face was scarred and cold,
He looked upon the man of fate,
for admissions to the fold.
"What have you done," St. Peter asked,
"to gain admission here?"
"I've been a wrestler, sir", he said,
"for many and many a year."
The pearly gates swung open wide,
St. Peter touched the bell,
"come in son," he said, "and choose your harp,
You've seen your share of hell." Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 8:27 PM
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How tough judo training is depends on the country. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 8:30 PM
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the thing is, wrestling is a competitive sport and the hellish practices everyone is talking about come from that.
Most BJJ and even judo are noncompetitive schools or older people competing but doing it as a hobby. If the same demographic was doing wrestling as a hobby, it would look a lot like recreational judo practice.

At the highest level, I'm sure everyone practices with a much greater intensity than most of us are used to. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 9:30 PM
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Jay Bell - The average wrestling class at a reasonably competitive high school team would make most average bjj or judo players cry. Of course there are elite players in judo and bjj who train incredibly hard but if you are taking about an average participant than there is really no comparison. Phone Post 3.0
This. Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 9:42 PM
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Wrestling, then judo, then bjj.  

That said.. wrestlers generally stop wrestling by their mid twenties.   It's generally, by a large margin, a sport practiced in one's youth and when people have a lot more free time.  I don't think it's really a fair comparison, although yes, it is strenous practice.

7/28/14 10:18 PM
3/27/03
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The conditioning part of my sons judo class is as long as his whole bjj class

Wrestling I'd put second to judo Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 10:20 PM
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jacktripper - The conditioning part of my sons judo class is as long as his whole bjj class

Wrestling I'd put second to judo Phone Post 3.0

is that a class or team?
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jacktripper - The conditioning part of my sons judo class is as long as his whole bjj class

Wrestling I'd put second to judo Phone Post 3.0

is that a class or team?
It's a very established school... We're relatively new so I wouldn't say he's on their competition squad but it's a serious program (and he's thriving) Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 10:30 PM
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If you meant bjj it's not a sport bjj program at all, he's one of the few that competes

It's quality though just not focused on points and little standup Phone Post 3.0
7/28/14 11:43 PM
4/25/04
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Coming from coaching BJJ to top level wrestlers (a few national champ and one world champ) A wrestling practice is way harder but at the same time its not always harder that is the goal.

Wrestling practices are tough because the conditioning. That stuff honestly should be done outside the time of instructional. Your practice time should be for perfecting skills and reactions, not climbing a rope or doing burpees till you puke. Is conditioning required sure but I want my students at peak mental ability when learning so they actually retain it. You can do your conditioning separately. The other key is that you ultimately can't ask that of an everyday joe that just wants to come in and blow off steam. So thats where you make the distinction. Competitors put in the work and non competitors have fun, roll and BS. If you don't have both groups you are either a McDojo or if you go too hard you have 5 guys in the gym and you can't afford to keep the lights on. Phone Post 3.0
7/29/14 2:53 AM
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Bruce Hoyer - Coming from coaching BJJ to top level wrestlers (a few national champ and one world champ) A wrestling practice is way harder but at the same time its not always harder that is the goal.

Wrestling practices are tough because the conditioning. That stuff honestly should be done outside the time of instructional. Your practice time should be for perfecting skills and reactions, not climbing a rope or doing burpees till you puke. Is conditioning required sure but I want my students at peak mental ability when learning so they actually retain it. You can do your conditioning separately. The other key is that you ultimately can't ask that of an everyday joe that just wants to come in and blow off steam. So thats where you make the distinction. Competitors put in the work and non competitors have fun, roll and BS. If you don't have both groups you are either a McDojo or if you go too hard you have 5 guys in the gym and you can't afford to keep the lights on. Phone Post 3.0

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7/29/14 9:21 AM
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Wrestling for sure.

I think bjj is harder but judo is rougher on your body. Phone Post 3.0
7/29/14 10:35 PM
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handfightingfan -
Bruce Hoyer - Coming from coaching BJJ to top level wrestlers (a few national champ and one world champ) A wrestling practice is way harder but at the same time its not always harder that is the goal.

Wrestling practices are tough because the conditioning. That stuff honestly should be done outside the time of instructional. Your practice time should be for perfecting skills and reactions, not climbing a rope or doing burpees till you puke. Is conditioning required sure but I want my students at peak mental ability when learning so they actually retain it. You can do your conditioning separately. The other key is that you ultimately can't ask that of an everyday joe that just wants to come in and blow off steam. So thats where you make the distinction. Competitors put in the work and non competitors have fun, roll and BS. If you don't have both groups you are either a McDojo or if you go too hard you have 5 guys in the gym and you can't afford to keep the lights on. Phone Post 3.0

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Yeah, that sums it up nicely. Phone Post 3.0
7/30/14 2:23 AM
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If anyone places BJJ any place other than the easiest in this list then they need to check out their local wrestling/ judo schools.

I get that everyone wants to be tough but being 100% honest I can not see how BJJ could be harder than either judo or wrestling.

My vote goes to wrestling also. Phone Post 3.0
Edited: 8/1/14 8:39 AM
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Watch more videos on Flowrestling

Just saw this video on flow and it reminded me of this thread.   Recreational guys or guys who come up with the flow with the go mentality just cant compete with people who think like this kid.   They are just going to keep coming until they beat you.

This guy comes from a family of beasts.  My son took third at south east regionals this year, this guys little brother won the tournament  easily.  He didnt give up a point.  Its tough to beat folks who think like these guys. 

That mentality is why wrestlers do so well in MMA in my opinion, more so than the technique, its the attitude. 

Pay no attention to the giant ringworm growing on this kids face.  LOL  

8/1/14 6:41 PM
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Buchecha, Joao Assis, Romoulo, go and train wrestling at High School here in SoCal. Joao has told me stories that the training will make you want to cry.

Edited: 8/1/14 8:44 PM
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Kway - Buchecha, Joao Assis, Romoulo, go and train wrestling at High School here in SoCal. Joao has told me stories that the training will make you want to cry.
 

I do that sometimes.  It aint easy for sure.

8/1/14 8:34 PM
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wrestling easily.
8/2/14 4:43 PM
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BJJ could learn a lot about wrestling's intensity and worth ethic.