David Jacobs' BJJGround Why the hip escape is bad for guard retention

Edited: 28 days ago
7/30/03
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Soul Gravy - "As pointed out many times mma is a different game than sport bjj. While they use similar techniques there are still some important differences."

This is true, but we need to try to discourage and prevent this schism between the two as much as possible.

If we try to do that then which way do we lean towards because what Lachlan is teaching is obviously better for grappling but the fundamental way certainly has its place in mma?

 

Here is a video showing the fundamental way.

 

The below video shows a situation in mma.  This video has a lot that we could discuss but the main point I want to make first is that the guard pass situation all started with the way the bottom player was playing guard. When the opponent is standing and looking to punch you it is standard to defend with your feet on his hips like what is discussed in the second video @3:55. Notice in the first video @3:25 Gustavo has his legs somewhat extended on the hips in the same  way without any grips with his hands. No doubt the modern guard players will say that this is a mistake in grappling and his knees should be in tight. They are correct. Problem is if the guy does this in a striking situation he will get hit. So my point is that the guard is played different out of neccesity and the way guard retention is played is an extension of this. In grappling the guy will keep his knees in tight. This might mean staying in a lying position or sitting up when the guy steps back. In mma you cant do either because when lying the guy can get close enough to hit you if you are not keeping distance with your legs and when sitting up, if the guy is too close he can just knee you. I just wanted to point out that the guard games are different from the start, I could go into a lot of things the guy on bottom could do in the second video but I got my main point across. They are two different sports with two different agendas and this calls for different methods for achieving the agenda or and defending.

 

I am just saying, how do we discourage seperating the two sports and when the way Lachlan is teaching is clearly better for grappling but also not as good for mma?

28 days ago
8/20/16
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This thread has me wondering about BJJ for MMA instructionals, something I dont remember seeing a lot of. I just did a search and didn't turn up anything except an old Burton Richardson set.

 

Does anyone know of any good BJJ for MMA instructionals? Or are the old Vale Tudo tapes your best option?

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7/30/03
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blabbermouth -

This thread has me wondering about BJJ for MMA instructionals, something I dont remember seeing a lot of. I just did a search and didn't turn up anything except an old Burton Richardson set.

 

Does anyone know of any good BJJ for MMA instructionals? Or are the old Vale Tudo tapes your best option?

There is some good stuff but imo learning a solid Gracie Jiu-Jitsu game from the start and building from there is best. Once you learn the fundamentals there will always be new stuff you can add to it. Some of it will be temporary and some will becaome a permenant part of your game.

 

As far as video instruction, I like Ricksons new teaching, I like Henry's stuff a lot, and I like Reners stuff a lot also. Any of those would be great imo. Here is an example of the basic structure of an mma guard.

 

From there you can find a way to add in a lot of stuff such as Lachlan's leg lock dvd. Learning fundamental GJJ and practicing with strikes you will be able to determine what fits in and what doesn't. Or what you might want to add to your grappling game but it is not fight applicable, etc.

 

There are also dvd sets like Joe Lauzon's Grappling Hacks that have some cool new stuff on them for mma also but they are to be added to your fundamental game imo.

27 days ago
11/11/11
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Big nog had a bjj for mma dvd years ago

27 days ago
11/10/05
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mario sperry too
27 days ago
7/6/06
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blabbermouth -

This thread has me wondering about BJJ for MMA instructionals, something I dont remember seeing a lot of. I just did a search and didn't turn up anything except an old Burton Richardson set.

 

Does anyone know of any good BJJ for MMA instructionals? Or are the old Vale Tudo tapes your best option?

Ryan Hall's new sets (https://ryanhallonline.com/) are pretty focused on fighting, if you're looking for someone who has actually been there and done that in the modern era.

23 days ago
3/7/07
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I’ve been working the high pummel the last few practices with some success. Not putting my feet to the ground is an easier adjustment than I thought, it makes sense.