GeekGround BJB Breakdown: Captain America

17 days ago
4/2/18
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http://blog.mmaratings.net/2019/04/captain-america-analyzing-fighting-style-bjb-breakdown.html



In comic books and the live action versions of them, we are routinely exposed to the most fantastic elements of a person's imagination splashed across pages and screens (big and small). We have beings with an immense amount of superhuman ability; they have enhanced strength, super speed, hyper agility, advanced healing, invulnerability, enhanced senses, flight, energy manipulation, control of the elements, etc -- things that at best are far off in the future, at worst are just unrealistic or impossible. But somewhere in these stories of the fantastical and the incredible there are things we can see, things that are possible, things that translate. That is where this article comes in, as we discuss one of the biggest comic book heroes in the world -- Steve Rogers, AKA Captain America.

Now we haven't seen the creation of super soldiers -- men or women with the physical tools to fight 15-20 soldiers or assassins, outrun cars, leap off buildings without harm, lift heavy objects, or kick people halfway across the room. But what we have seen is well-trained men and women who operate at the highest level of human physical ability. More importantly, we have seen men and women who have committed themselves to learning a myriad of martial arts -- blending different styles, techniques, and philosophies -- all to physically dominate an opponent. In Captain America, we have a man who does something similar in the Marvel Universe, so it's worth breaking down the fighting style and techniques of the First Avenger, the finest hand-to-hand combatant in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

One of the fundamental pillars of Steve Rogers' fighting style is boxing; it is the one constant in almost every hand-to-hand engagement he's had, be it against highly paid mercenary, super soldier assassin, technological genius in a suit of armor, or god. Rogers has showcased not just individual offensive technique, but defensive skills, offensive skills, and counter skills employed in a textbook fashion. Unlike some in the Marvel Universe who are educated brawlers (I'm talking to you, Daredevil; look for that article in the near future), Rogers instead leans on positioning, slick defensive maneuvers, and flawlessly executed offense to be successful, even in light of the tremendous physical advantages he has that others don't have. (Yes I am still talking to you, Matt Murdock.)

 

http://blog.mmaratings.net/2019/04/captain-america-analyzing-fighting-style-bjb-breakdown.html

 

15 days ago
3/7/05
Posts: 31999

Is he the best in the MCU? Bucky and Black Panther both fought him to a stand still. And Caps fighting has always been based in the movie and comics on boxing, judo and wrestling. I am not sure what the point the author is trying to make here?

15 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 48267
BigWilliam - Is he the best in the MCU? Bucky and Black Panther both fought him to a stand still. And Caps fighting has always been based in the movie and comics on boxing, judo and wrestling. I am not sure what the point the author is trying to make here?

Cap isn't "the best". No single character is.

I don't know how Marvel "officially" ranks characters, but in the past, Marvel used a tier system to rank fighting ability. Characters in the top tier should beat all the characters in the tier below, but sometimes upsets happen. Characters in the top tier generally had the following characteristics:

  • amazing fighting skill - showing "mastery" in several fighting disciplines
  • extensive fighting history - not just superhero battles, but experience in war
  • immortality or extended life 
 
You could argue that Bucky and Black Panther also meet those criteria, so they might be on the same level(?). (Personally, I don't think Bucky should be in the top tier, but Marvel doesn't care what I think)
 
Anyhoo, ymmv.
15 days ago
3/7/05
Posts: 32000

Technically shouldn't either Shang Chi or Iron Fist by the most 'skilled' in hand to hand?

15 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 36481
BigWilliam - Technically shouldn't either Shang Chi or Iron Fist by the most 'skilled' in hand to hand?

They probably are, but I don't think they have the meta-human advantages like superior strength, durability, speed, etc... outside of their gimmick moves.

I think Iron Fist should have little problem with someone like Daredevil.
14 days ago
3/7/05
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Liyon - 
BigWilliam - Technically shouldn't either Shang Chi or Iron Fist by the most 'skilled' in hand to hand?

They probably are, but I don't think they have the meta-human advantages like superior strength, durability, speed, etc... outside of their gimmick moves.

I think Iron Fist should have little problem with someone like Daredevil.

I never read much Shang Chi or Iron Fist. Are they meta human? I thought both were supposed to be human with some kind of special training/abilities.
14 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 48274
BigWilliam - 
Liyon - 
BigWilliam - Technically shouldn't either Shang Chi or Iron Fist by the most 'skilled' in hand to hand?

They probably are, but I don't think they have the meta-human advantages like superior strength, durability, speed, etc... outside of their gimmick moves.

I think Iron Fist should have little problem with someone like Daredevil.

I never read much Shang Chi or Iron Fist. Are they meta human? I thought both were supposed to be human with some kind of special training/abilities.

I would recommend Fraction's run on Iron Fist.  I can't really help with Shang Chi.