GeekGround Endgame writers explain

11/6/19 1:01 PM
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From https://www.cbr.com/avengers-endgame-why-female-avengers-moment-works/
 
Avengers: Endgame screenwriters Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus shared some insight into the famous shot near the end of the film that showcased nearly all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's female heroes assembling. Specifically, they spoke on the criticism that it was "too convenient" for the female heroes to suddenly all show up in the same place at the same time.
 
"We’ve learned this a lot – emotional logic versus intellectual logic. Emotional logic wins every time," McFeely told SlashFilm. "So I recognize that there are some people who are like, 'It’s pretty convenient that all of the ladies are all in one spot,' but the eight-year-old girl next to me loses her mind and wears a T-shirt, and I’m good with it."
 
"Literally, one of the comments at a test screening was, 'It’s pandering. Don’t you dare cut it,'" Markus added.
 
Captain Marvel star Brie Larson recently said she'd like to take part in an all-female Avengers film. Other Marvel film stars, including Scarlett Johansson and Benedict Cumberbatch, have also mentioned their desire see or take part in such a project.
 
Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chris Evans as Captain America, Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner, Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow, Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, Brie Larson as Captain Marvel, Paul Rudd as Ant-Man, Don Cheadle as War Machine, Karen Gillan as Nebula, Danai Gurira as Okoye, and Bradley Cooper as Rocket, with Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper Potts, Jon Favreau as Happy Hogan, Benedict Wong as Wong, Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie, and Josh Brolin as Thanos. The film is now available on Digital HD, Blu-ray and 4K UHD.
11/6/19 1:05 PM
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paw comments: CBR is so biased.  Their title for the article I just posted was Endgame Writers Explain Exactly Why the Female Avengers Moment Works

That title is an opinion, and it really is getting tired the way "journalists" present their opinions as fact. And why the f***** does everything have to be political now? But I digress.

Anyhoo, based on the writers comments, I don't see how you can interpret that scene as anything other than deliberate pandering. 

11/6/19 2:14 PM
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It was obviously pandering, as was the ridiculous power up they gave Captain Marvel. But it was a brief moment in a great scene, so I don't let it bother me.

Funny note, if Benedict Cumberbatch is involved it's not an all female team up. Come on Sherlock!
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Disney princesses make cheddar

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As long as they don't ruin the important movies with it. It was a bunch of useless characters in an otherwise great film that focused mostly on Stark, Cap, Hawkeye/Black Widow and Thor. 

If they make an all female movie out of that, I just won't watch it and will be more than happy to go watch Dr. Strange 2, or Guardians 3, just like I learned my lesson by giving Captain Marvel a shot. 

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BigWilliam - It was obviously pandering, as was the ridiculous power up they gave Captain Marvel. But it was a brief moment in a great scene, so I don't let it bother me.

Funny note, if Benedict Cumberbatch is involved it's not an all female team up. Come on Sherlock!

What big power up?

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paw - 

paw comments: CBR is so biased.  Their title for the article I just posted was Endgame Writers Explain Exactly Why the Female Avengers Moment Works

That title is an opinion, and it really is getting tired the way "journalists" present their opinions as fact. And why the f***** does everything have to be political now? But I digress.

Anyhoo, based on the writers comments, I don't see how you can interpret that scene as anything other than deliberate pandering. 


Marvel (and comics overall) have been political for decades. Stan Lee was writing Soapboxes about diversity and inclusion in the 60s.
If the source material has basically always been political, then why would you not expect it to be political?
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ReffsRammedMeInMyAnus - 
BigWilliam - It was obviously pandering, as was the ridiculous power up they gave Captain Marvel. But it was a brief moment in a great scene, so I don't let it bother me.

Funny note, if Benedict Cumberbatch is involved it's not an all female team up. Come on Sherlock!

What big power up?


In the comics Captain Marvel was always Iron Man level powerful. In Binary form she was more powerful but still well below someone like Thor and would never have been able to fight even a bare handed Thanos one on one for more than a second.

In the movies they jumped her past everyone and made it look like she could fight Thanos to a standstill even with the gauntlet.
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BiggGunn -
paw - 

paw comments: CBR is so biased.  Their title for the article I just posted was Endgame Writers Explain Exactly Why the Female Avengers Moment Works

That title is an opinion, and it really is getting tired the way "journalists" present their opinions as fact. And why the f***** does everything have to be political now? But I digress.

Anyhoo, based on the writers comments, I don't see how you can interpret that scene as anything other than deliberate pandering. 


Marvel (and comics overall) have been political for decades. Stan Lee was writing Soapboxes about diversity and inclusion in the 60s.
If the source material has basically always been political, then why would you not expect it to be political?

Apples and Oranges.  

 

Yes, Lee was political in the same way that saying all people were created equal is a political statement. Claremont was political when he wrote X-Men as being persecuted.

 

Do you really think that is the same thing as a journalist writing an opinion piece as though it was fact?

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BigWilliam -
ReffsRammedMeInMyAnus - 
BigWilliam - It was obviously pandering, as was the ridiculous power up they gave Captain Marvel. But it was a brief moment in a great scene, so I don't let it bother me.

Funny note, if Benedict Cumberbatch is involved it's not an all female team up. Come on Sherlock!

What big power up?


In the comics Captain Marvel was always Iron Man level powerful. In Binary form she was more powerful but still well below someone like Thor and would never have been able to fight even a bare handed Thanos one on one for more than a second.

In the movies they jumped her past everyone and made it look like she could fight Thanos to a standstill even with the gauntlet.

For some reason I thought you meant she got a power up in Endgame. I got you now though.

 

Im not that upset about her power up, that’s normal when trying to push a mid tier character to a top tier one. Obviously I could do without the political undertones, but I don’t see why Marvel can’t try to bolster a female hero. I mean Scarlet Witch isn’t shoved down our throats, but she is easily proved to be one of THE strongest characters in the universe. NO ONE ELSE EVEB CAME CLOSE TO MANHANDLING THANOS LIKE SCARLET WITCH DID. 

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ReffsRammedMeInMyAnus - 
BigWilliam -
ReffsRammedMeInMyAnus - 
BigWilliam - It was obviously pandering, as was the ridiculous power up they gave Captain Marvel. But it was a brief moment in a great scene, so I don't let it bother me.

Funny note, if Benedict Cumberbatch is involved it's not an all female team up. Come on Sherlock!

What big power up?


In the comics Captain Marvel was always Iron Man level powerful. In Binary form she was more powerful but still well below someone like Thor and would never have been able to fight even a bare handed Thanos one on one for more than a second.

In the movies they jumped her past everyone and made it look like she could fight Thanos to a standstill even with the gauntlet.

For some reason I thought you meant she got a power up in Endgame. I got you now though.

 

Im not that upset about her power up, that’s normal when trying to push a mid tier character to a top tier one. Obviously I could do without the political undertones, but I don’t see why Marvel can’t try to bolster a female hero. I mean Scarlet Witch isn’t shoved down our throats, but she is easily proved to be one of THE strongest characters in the universe. NO ONE ELSE EVEB CAME CLOSE TO MANHANDLING THANOS LIKE SCARLET WITCH DID. 


SW removed all mutants from the world by accident in the comics, there is at least source material to back that up. It annoyed me with CM the same it would have annoyed me if Spidey had showed up and out muscled the Hulk.