Train Judo Ground What are the most important throws for competition

Edited: 12/4/18 11:27 AM
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I know, I know, whatever throws you're good at, but in general, what are the most important throws to be competent at?

For example, if you could ask a the greatest judo master in the world to break down any throws for you in preparation for a competition, what would they be?
12/4/18 12:06 PM
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I don't have the particulars of an analysis right here in front of me, but there have been some studies that show that the top Judo players typically utilize between 4-6 throws. In those 4-6, 2-3 are used predominantly.

I know this doesn't answer your question directly, but the highest ROI is to drill, drill, drill 4-6 throws that consistently work for you, regardless of what they are, and forgo the rest(at least for competition sake).

Personally I use Osoto Gari, Tani Otoshi, Ura Nage, Yoko Wakare, and O uchi/Ko uchi Gare almost exclusively.


Chango
12/4/18 10:37 PM
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ChangoBravo - I don't have the particulars of an analysis right here in front of me, but there have been some studies that show that the top Judo players typically utilize between 4-6 throws. In those 4-6, 2-3 are used predominantly.

I know this doesn't answer your question directly, but the highest ROI is to drill, drill, drill 4-6 throws that consistently work for you, regardless of what they are, and forgo the rest(at least for competition sake).

Personally I use Osoto Gari, Tani Otoshi, Ura Nage, Yoko Wakare, and O uchi/Ko uchi Gare almost exclusively.


Chango

thanks! good to know.
12/5/18 12:35 PM
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Most guys love Uchi- Mata or Harai.  It seems those are the high scoring throws Kouchi and Ouchi you have to really be good at. I like Sutemi-Waza things but you have to be fast with them.

12/5/18 7:33 PM
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I think the size of the judoka matters to answer this question.  For example I can't remember seeing a big guy doing tai-otoshi for example against relative size opponent.  But this is an excellent throw in the weights 73k and below. 

 

That being said I use the Japanese model, ouchi/kouchi gari, deashi barai, kosoto gari, uchimata, tai otoshi, harai ogoshi, seionage.  Opposite grips osoto gari.

12/7/18 9:44 AM
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We were practicing Tani-Otoshi last night and I forgot how much I liked it but it's hard to pull it off.

12/9/18 9:20 AM
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It is a very brutal throw for uke.  Have to have a legit forward fake.  Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. 

 

IJF level clip of tani otoshi.

https://youtu.be/1ICAX4AsHPk

12/10/18 12:02 PM
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Nice some of them look like sweeps. My instructor does it sometimes as an offensive technique. Sometimes you can get it from a failed Seio.

12/11/18 8:40 AM
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Some do look like sweeps but tori is still dropping behind the opponent.  Uke seems to never have a chance to breakfall on this throw.  I think we practiced this throw more kata like. 

12/13/18 8:08 AM
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Yeah most people do.  I like sacrafice Sutemi Waza but you have to be quick.

3/3/19 10:29 AM
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In the perfect world, you should have one good throw plus another one that throws your opponent in the opposite direction preferably without the need to change your grips.  If you are good at right osoto gari, you should be able to use a sutemi waza that is as effective as your osoto.

3/13/19 2:50 PM
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Yes and have a left handed throw. I am right handed but a left Seio seems a lot easier for some wierd reason.