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10/20/19 12:38 PM
11/17/13
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Vote PC, rebuild this country 

10/20/19 12:39 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13351
WHY OBAMA SUPPORTED A BLACKFACE RACIST

Make no mistake about it, this is Trudeau’s vision of Canada and all you have to do is a Google Search to know this is completely accurate in what he said and what he has done. And if you knew what Trudeau’s vision was, then please SHARE to inform others. Thank you.

Posted by Old Stock Canadian on Saturday, October 19, 2019

 

10/20/19 12:44 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13352
DontLeaveItToTheJudges -

Vote PC, rebuild this country 

Yup..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-campaign-final-days-mood-1.5327895

Inside 48 hours and a momentum shift on the Conservative campaign

The crowds are big, the message is sharper - but the questions keep coming for leader Andrew Scheer

Katie Simpson · CBC News · Posted: Oct 20, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

It was the final Thursday of the election campaign, and inside a small community hall in Little Harbour, N.S., Jill Scheer stood near the back of the room with a big smile on her face.

As the energetic rally with a few hundred people started to wind down, she picked up the two-month-old daughter of a senior Conservative staffer and started playfully dancing with baby Georgia -- bopping along to the campaign theme song as it played on a nearby speaker. 

Her husband, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, had just finished a decent day on the campaign trail. 

At that rally, he relied less on his Teleprompter. And while it was there for safety, he deviated at times from his prepared script in the hopes of connecting better with the audience. 

But his big moment of the day came at an earlier stop in Brampton, Ont., where he laid the groundwork to push for power in a minority government situation.

"The party that wins the most seats should get to form the government," Scheer told reporters standing at a construction site. 

And while that's not how Canada's parliamentary system works, exactly, Scheer's comments signalled he's ready to take this fight well past Election Day. 

"A prime minister who enters into an election and comes out of that election with fewer seats than another party resigns. That is a modern convention in Canadian politics," he said.

The deliberate statement appeared to suggest the Conservatives had data, whether it be internal polling or something else, that demonstrated Scheer was in a position to win the most seats, but not necessarily a majority.

Scheer and his team appeared relaxed and quietly confident. So much so, that when leaving Little Harbour for Halifax that night, Scheer got some laughs from reporters when the media bus stopped for a beer run.

Holding a Bluetooth speaker above his head, he came up the stairs of the coach, with the song The Final Countdown blaring.

From that point on, there was a dramatic push to build momentum.

It triggered a tense two days on the campaign, with mixed results.

New line of attack

Scheer's plane touched down in Fredericton early the next morning. His team headed to a local brewery, where a couple hundred people had gathered to hear him speak. 

"We are only three days away from Canadians finally having their say on Justin Trudeau's last four years as prime minister," he said to big cheers as he started into his usual stump speech.

But he snuck in a new line of attack, one that did not go unnoticed. 

"We've looked at the Liberal and NDP platforms and a coalition of the two would run a deficit of $40 billion next year alone," he declared. 

"To pay for even half of these never-ending deficits, the Trudeau-NDP coalition would have to raise the GST from 5 per cent to 7.5 per cent..."

At no point in this campaign have either the Liberals or the NDP mused about raising the GST. Despite that, Scheer dug in when challenged by reporters. 

"We are showing Canadians the types of costs that will be associated with this massive amount of new deficits. They will have to make choices.... Raising the GST from 5 to 7.5 per cent is one option."

The claim was no accident, and was likely aimed at motivating the conservative base to show up in big numbers on Monday.

But when Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh both declared the allegation to be false, Scheer's claims became one of the stories of the day. 

Friday night surprise, Saturday questions

Repeated questions from reporters about his GST claim were clearly frustrating for Scheer's road team, as Conservative staffers pointed out the Liberals were playing their own numbers game and making false claims about Conservative spending cuts.

If the mood behind the scenes was starting to harden, it was only made worse late Friday when The Globe and Mail broke a story that claimed a well-known political operative was hired by the Conservatives to secretly sling mud at Maxime Bernier and The People's Party of Canada. CBC News also published the story. 

Scheer had to have known he would be bombarded by questions about the story when he stood before reporters at his daily news conference Saturday morning. 

"As a rule, we never make comments on vendors that we may or may not have engaged with," he said, over and over and over again.

Unwilling to veer away from his talking point, the news conference turned into a standoff. 

Reporters broke etiquette rules, asking more than just one question and one followup, with a frustrated staffer threatening to end the event if journalists didn't abide by that standard. Scheer soldiered on without calling a halt to the questions, even allowing a CBC reporter six followup questions.

But to say it went poorly for the Conservatives would be an understatement. 

With just two days to go, the man who spent weeks arguing that Trudeau had no moral authority to govern was now tainted by a mudslinging scandal of his own that he refused to deny. 

On top of that, he stood by a GST hike claim his party came up with, even though no leader has said that idea is on the agenda.

Whether the stumbles of the past 48 hours will have an impact on the campaign won't be known until ballots are counted on Monday.

If party faithful are upset, it didn't show on Saturday night, when well over 1,500 people showed up at a Richmond Hill, Ont., banquet hall to see Scheer in person. 

The venue was so packed that organizers had to remove room dividers to allow more people inside. 

But the joy and quiet confidence among Scheer's inner circle that was so obvious in Little Harbour was in much shorter supply on Saturday.

 

10/20/19 12:49 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13356
Did voters get to know Andrew Scheer?

Rona Ambrose, former interim leader of the Conservatives, speaks about the impact Andrew Scheer has been able to make since becoming leader of the party. Watch the full panel discussion here: http://ctv.news/k6OpbXS

Posted by CTV News on Sunday, October 20, 2019

 

10/20/19 12:54 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13358

Things to consider before You vote:
Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading. Also forgot about his villa in France.
You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
You blew the deal with China.
You blew the deal with Europe.
You invited "irregular" immigration and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
You alienated the United States – our largest trading partner.
At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told vets that they were asking too much.
You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you're trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for woman while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal. You intentionally paid it out in a way that prevented the widow of the killed soldier from pursuing it.
You spent $4.5 billion on a 65 year old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place. Then you obstructed the investigation into this obstruction of justice.
You replaced Canada's old F-18s with Australia's old F-18s.
Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia. Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
You said that a proposed pipeline must consider "the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors" (what does that even mean???)
You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
You called small business owners "tax cheats".
People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
You spent $8 million on a skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters away.
You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it. Balance the budget in 2019? Now we're looking at 2040.
You groped a woman and when caught and said she experienced it differently.
You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant fit.
Peoplekind? (international embarrassment)
You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
You said returning terrorists will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
You fought to let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
You spent $212,234 on artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government's plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this?
You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine. And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted murderer to diner and posed for pics with him.
And you're the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact)
You destroyed the career of one of Canada's honest military leaders to cover up possible massive corruption in ship building contracts.
You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement of his wife for a photoshoot in the Office of The Prime Minister.
You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chicken out when you realized that your alleged crimes will be exposed in court.
You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new "trusted" sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
$13 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
Almost $13 billion in promises right before calling the election.
Blackface. 3 times. Wow.
What moral, functioning Canadian human could possible justify voting for you?
When they said you weren't ready, they were right....

10/20/19 1:12 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 7379

We won't know who wins until it's done 

I'm not a fan of Scheer either really but he will get my vote most likely over JT

i feel any other vote that doesn't go to Scheer helps the liberals 

10/20/19 1:42 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13363

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/donna-kennedy-glans-don-hill-trudeau-confederation-risk-1.4937499

Trudeau's neglect of the nation has led us to this place

Dark resentments thought buried in this part of the country have been reawakened

In an astonishing statement to the New York Times in 2015, Justin Trudeau declared, "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,'' and consequently that "makes us the first post-national state."

This kind of talk would have been horrifying to Peter Lougheed, Alberta's premier from 1971 to 1985. He believed in Canada. He had faith in our national institutions. But the intransigence of the federal government led by Pierre Elliot Trudeau tested that faith.

And now we have Justin Trudeau, a prime minister who, like his father, has odd ideas about the country, the world, and Alberta's place in it.

Dark resentments thought buried in this part of the country have been reawakened.

The ideas behind Canadian confederation are at risk.

Albertans are perplexed, and now many are angry. Why is our prime minister, we say, so obsessively focused on his role as heroic defender of a post-nation world and in doing so, neglects the needs of his own country?

Other national leaders (France's Emmanuel Macron, for one), have learned what happens when you ignore the wishes of your citizens. Riots reminiscent of the events of 1968 in France, triggered the country's prime minister, and soon after the president, to back away from a loathed carbon tax.

In his attempts to satisfy liberal progressives and conservatives on the politics of petroleum and pipelines, our prime minister has swallowed both the red pill and the blue pill. Canada is not The Matrix.

Waking up into Justin Trudeau's worldly view is irrational -- a sign of childish naiveté at best.

Trudeau said, to conclude the interview with the Times, "I'm excited to be on the world stage." And continued, ''I think people are starting to see that I'm actually reasonably fit for this office.''

We beg to differ.

Realpolitik

The Trudeaus have never understood -- or seemed fond of -- Alberta or the aspirations of the West.

Our prime minister is focused on a global agenda. Meanwhile, he and his team are setting Canada against itself.

One only has to look to recent events in France and the European project, in general, with Brexit a clue as to why nations are no longer keen on abandoning their autonomy for the lofty ambitions of leaders on the world stage.

Brian Mulroney, one of our nation's elder statesmen, recently offered Trudeau some wisdom: It's the job of the Canadian prime minister to look after Canada first and the rest of the world next.

That may sound like America First. China first. India, too -- first.

It's realpolitik.

Blind spots and willful ignorance

Pro-rationing the sale of oil from Alberta -- as a mandate, not a PR stunt -- is a unique weapon in the hands of a political leader. This isn't an angry mob of dairy farmers, spilling milk down drains rather than selling it below cost.

This is the government of a province in Canada saying: Enough! This madness must stop!

And by sheer neglect, Trudeau created the conditions where the only legitimate response in Alberta crossed party lines, demonstrating a unity among Albertans that he's either not seeing or is willfully blind to.

It's our oil and gas. Full stop. Canada's constitution amended in 1930 said as much: provinces own and control the resources underfoot. And selling for prices below the cost of production isn't fair to the royalty owners -- it's also stupid business.

Meantime: Our prime minister's neglect, even callousness, is driving a wedge between regions and igniting Western alienation. He's playing with fire.

Trudeau and his cabinet have been preoccupied with their global vision of how things ought to be at the expense of how things are in the country. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, along with her Saskatchewan counterpart Scott Moe, had to practically beg the prime minister to give the energy crisis pride of place on Friday's first ministers conference agenda.

Is it any wonder Albertans, for the second time in a generation, have executed extraordinary measures in their legislature to protect the province from an incorrigible federal leadership?

And that raises another question.

Are we all -- as citizens of this country -- complicit in allowing this prime minister to go forward on his destructive path toward a post-nation state?

At what price comes his glory?

10/20/19 3:34 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 55812

Only 30 more hours of polticial propaganda on my facebook feed telling me every single party leader is the scum of the earth.

10/20/19 3:51 PM
11/14/11
Posts: 7825
RKing85 -

Only 30 more hours of polticial propaganda on my facebook feed telling me every single party leader is the scum of the earth.

welll props to fb as that could be one of the few actual truths.

10/20/19 9:16 PM
3/20/15
Posts: 13153
Graduate1 - Things to consider before You vote:
Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading. Also forgot about his villa in France.
You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
You blew the deal with China.
You blew the deal with Europe.
You invited "irregular" immigration and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
You alienated the United States – our largest trading partner.
At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told vets that they were asking too much.
You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you're trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for woman while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal. You intentionally paid it out in a way that prevented the widow of the killed soldier from pursuing it.
You spent $4.5 billion on a 65 year old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place. Then you obstructed the investigation into this obstruction of justice.
You replaced Canada's old F-18s with Australia's old F-18s.
Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia. Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
You said that a proposed pipeline must consider "the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors" (what does that even mean???)
You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
You called small business owners "tax cheats".
People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
You spent $8 million on a skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters away.
You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it. Balance the budget in 2019? Now we're looking at 2040.
You groped a woman and when caught and said she experienced it differently.
You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant fit.
Peoplekind? (international embarrassment)
You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
You said returning terrorists will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
You fought to let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
You spent $212,234 on artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government's plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this?
You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine. And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted murderer to diner and posed for pics with him.
And you're the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact)
You destroyed the career of one of Canada's honest military leaders to cover up possible massive corruption in ship building contracts.
You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement of his wife for a photoshoot in the Office of The Prime Minister.
You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chicken out when you realized that your alleged crimes will be exposed in court.
You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new "trusted" sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
$13 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
Almost $13 billion in promises right before calling the election.
Blackface. 3 times. Wow.
What moral, functioning Canadian human could possible justify voting for you?
When they said you weren't ready, they were right....

Just saw on my face book, but with spaces. Fucking amazing this guy is even a party leader anymore, or in jail for that matter.

10/20/19 9:49 PM
10/16/10
Posts: 29065

Cleric in BC. 

 

 

 

10/20/19 10:58 PM
8/20/03
Posts: 147302

Tomorrow I go to vote.

BIG DAY!

10/20/19 11:00 PM
1/13/04
Posts: 13371
Captain Canuck -

Tomorrow I go to vote.

BIG DAY!

Please vote wisely..

 

10/21/19 12:52 PM
8/20/03
Posts: 147311

I would never vote for a party that had Trudeau in it.

He is the pinnacle of what is wrong with entitled political spoon feed trust fund children.

if you vote for him then you clearly do not understand what an elected official should be doing FOR you.

10/21/19 5:04 PM
3/16/10
Posts: 9004

If the NDP and libs form a coalition I'm gunna be pissed.

 

Shouldn't even be able to do that bullshit. It's bad enough it happened in BC. 

10/22/19 4:43 AM
11/9/10
Posts: 68332

Don't blame us. You idiots elected him!

10/22/19 4:19 PM
10/24/03
Posts: 8213

Gawddamnit......