OtherGround Forums Ann Coulter’s hot take on the Central Park 5

6/19/19 7:44 AM
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Damn, she went in. Crazy shit is she’s not wrong on a lot of her points but most will immediately dismiss it because it is AC. Personally I think she’s batshit crazy, but she’s not wrong here.

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Let's look at the facts of the case.

On April 19, 1989, investment banker Trisha Meili went for a run through Central Park around 9 p.m., whereupon she was attacked by a wolf pack looking for a "white girl," dragged 100 yards into the woods, stripped, beaten with a pipe and a brick, raped and left for dead.

By the time the police found Meili, she'd lost three-quarters of her blood. Her case was initially assigned to the homicide unit of the D.A.'s office because none of her doctors thought she would make it through the night.

Of the 37 youths brought in for questioning about the multiple violent attacks in the park that night, only 10 were charged with a crime and only five for the rape of the jogger: Antron McCray, Yusef Salaam, Raymond Santana, Kevin Richardson and Korey Wise. All five confessed -- four on videotape with adult relatives present and one with a parent present, but not on videotape
Two unanimous, multicultural juries convicted them, despite aggressive defense lawyers putting on their best case.

But the media have a different method of judging guilt and innocence. They don't look at irrelevant factors, such as evidence, but at relevant factors such as the race of the accused and the race of the victim.

Unfortunately for Meili, she was guilty of being white, while her attackers belonged to the Brahmin caste: "people of color." So, after waiting an interminable 13 years, the media proclaimed that the five convicts had been "exonerated" by DNA evidence!

DNA evidence didn't convict them, so it couldn't "exonerate" them. This was a gang attack. It was always known that other rapists "got away," as the prosecutor told the jury, and that none of the defendants' DNA was found in the jogger's cervix or on her sock -- the only samples that were taken.

While it blows most people away to find out that none of the suspects' DNA was found on Meili, this is a sleight of hand. The trick is that we're looking at it through a modern lens. True, today, these kids' DNA would have been found all over the crime scene. But in 1989, DNA was a primitive science. Cops wouldn't have even bothered collecting samples for DNA tests back then.

The case was solved with other evidence -- and there was a lot of it.

On the drive to the precinct, Raymond Santana blurted out, "I had nothing to do with the rape. All I did was feel the woman's t*ts." The cops didn't even know about a rape yet.

Yusef Salaam announced to the detective interviewing him, "I was there, but I didn't rape her." Even if true, under the law, anyone who participated in the attack on Meili is guilty of her rape.

Two of Korey Wise's friends said that when they ran into him on the street the day after the attack, he told them the cops were after him. "You heard about that woman that was beat up and raped in the park last night? That was us!"

Taken to the scene of the crime by a detective and a prosecutor, he said, "Damn, damn, that's a lot of blood. ... I knew she was bleeding, but I didn't know how bad she was. It was dark. I couldn't see how much blood there was at night."

Wise also told a detective that someone he thought was named "Rudy" stole the jogger's Walkman and belt pouch. The jogger was still in a coma. The police did not know yet that a Walkman had been stolen from her.

Wise told a friend's sister, Melody Jackson, that he didn't rape the jogger; he "only held her legs down while Kevin (Richardson) f---ed her." Jackson volunteered this information to the police, thinking it would help Wise.

The night of the attack, Richardson told an acquaintance, "We just raped somebody." The crotch of his underwear was suspiciously stained with semen, grass stains, dirt and debris. Walking near the crime scene with a detective the next day, Richardson said, "This is where we got her ... where the raping occurred."

Santana and Richardson independently brought investigators to the precise location of the attack on the jogger.

Recall that, when all these statements were made, no one -- not the police, the witnesses, the suspects, or their friends and acquaintances -- knew whether Meili would emerge from her coma and be able to identify her attackers.

Sarah Burns, who co-wrote and co-directed the propaganda film "The Central Park Five" with her father (whose reputation she has now destroyed), waved away the defendants' confessions -- forget all the other evidence -- in a 2016 New York Times op-ed, explaining: "The power imbalance in an interrogation room is extreme, especially when the suspects are young teenagers, afraid of the police and unfamiliar with the justice system or their rights."

Far from trembling and afraid, as Burns imagines, the suspects were singing the rap song "Wild Thing" for hours in the precinct house, laughing and joking about raping the jogger. One of the attackers said, "It was fun."

When a cop told Santana that he should have been out with a girlfriend rather than mugging people in Central Park, Santana responded, "I already got mines," and laughed with another boy from the park.

One of the youths arrested that night stated on videotape that he heard Santana and another boy laughing about "how they 'made a woman bleed.'"

They sound absolutely terrified!

In Burns' defense, she knows so little about that case that she called the prosecutor by the wrong name in her op-ed.

The actual evidence doesn't matter. Again, the victim was a privileged white woman (BAD!) and the perpetrators were youths of color (GOOD!). So the media lied and claimed the DNA evidence "exonerated" them.

This allegation was based on Matias Reyes' confession to the attack -- and his claim that he acted alone. His DNA matched the unidentified DNA on the jogger -- proving nothing, other than that he was the one of the others who "got away." He is also the "Rudy" who stole her Walkman, as Wise said at the time. How did Wise know Reyes -- or "Rudy" -- had taken a Walkman?

A cellmate claims Reyes told him that he heard a woman screaming in the park that night and ran to join the fun.

The "exoneration" comes down to Reyes' unsubstantiated claim that he acted alone. Years of careful investigation, videotaped confessions, witness statements, assembling evidence, trial by jury and repeated appeals -- all that is nothing compared to the word of an upstanding citizen like Reyes, a violent psychopath who sexually assaulted his own mother and raped and murdered a pregnant woman while her children heard the attack through the bedroom door.

That's the sum total of the "exoneration": the word of a psycho.

Note that Reyes faced absolutely no penalty for his confession -- the statute of limitations had run out years earlier. Before he confessed, Reyes had been moved to Korey Wise's cellblock. He requ
6/19/19 7:47 AM
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6/19/19 7:51 AM
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I have not watched the new series, but this would not be the first time a documentary has been made to point the audience to a certain conclusion by omitting details that would contradict that outcome.

If you just watch the Making a Murderer docuseries, you would 100% believe he was not guilty. Then read everything that was omitted and you won't be so sure.

6/19/19 7:54 AM
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Perfect example of PC. Expect a lot more of these.
6/19/19 8:00 AM
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How much longer before the general public gets sick of this nonsense?
6/19/19 8:01 AM
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6/19/19 8:05 AM
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Literally every single piece of "actual evidence" she cites is nothing but what somebody said, much of that being hearsay (and thus competely inadmissable), and since the whole point is they were coerced into confessions by the cops, none of the rest of it is worth shit.

In other words, when she says "all the other evidence" and "actual evidence", most of what she lists is not evidence AT ALL (i.e., nothing but hearsay) and the rest is the confessions of kids who were coerced. 

Garbage person writes garbage piece, news at 11.

6/19/19 8:10 AM
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Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 

6/19/19 8:13 AM
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6/19/19 8:14 AM
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6/19/19 8:17 AM
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Apparently the mini series is a work of fiction.  The district attorney who was demonized wrote a pretty damning rebuttal.  Why can the story not be told...why must there always be a narrative.  Its like when you find out the KKK was part of the democratic party after believing for years that republicans were the racist monsters.  Total slight of hand.

6/19/19 8:24 AM
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Vindell - 

Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 


Everything she says reveals her to be human garbage.

 

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.""

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"It was only when Hitler invaded [the liberals'] precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler."

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil."

 

6/19/19 8:36 AM
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Vindell - 

Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 


Everything she says reveals her to be human garbage.

 

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.""

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"It was only when Hitler invaded [the liberals'] precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler."

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil."

 

I am sure most of them in context are not that bad.  You are also not the best source so how about links to each of the comments to see the context.

 

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lol @ saying you need context for those quotes. How strange that no one wants to bother to answer you seriously.

 

:“Of course we should go to war for oil. It's like saying, you're going to war just for oxygen, just for food. We need oil. That's a good reason to go to war.”

She added that she supported keeping U.S. troops in Iraq “because we wanted a puppet government, or at least a friendly government … [one] that will not shelter terrorists who will fly planes into our skyscrapers.”

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lol @ saying you need context for those quotes. How strange that no one wants to bother to answer you seriously.

 

:“Of course we should go to war for oil. It's like saying, you're going to war just for oxygen, just for food. We need oil. That's a good reason to go to war.”

She added that she supported keeping U.S. troops in Iraq “because we wanted a puppet government, or at least a friendly government … [one] that will not shelter terrorists who will fly planes into our skyscrapers.”

You know you are being disingenuous by quoting those.  The same thing could be done for any of your left wing heroes.  Yes Coulter is a nut but what she is saying echoes the concerns of other critics of the miniseries which for some bizarre reason has drawn itself on political lines.

6/19/19 9:20 AM
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Chris -

I have not watched the new series, but this would not be the first time a documentary has been made to point the audience to a certain conclusion by omitting details that would contradict that outcome.

If you just watch the Making a Murderer docuseries, you would 100% believe he was not guilty. Then read everything that was omitted and you won't be so sure.

making a murderer yeah I am 100% sure they were guilty 

6/19/19 9:26 AM
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Vindell - 

Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 


Everything she says reveals her to be human garbage.

 

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.""

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"It was only when Hitler invaded [the liberals'] precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler."

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil."

 

Jesus christ, do you have a poster of her and her quotes on your basement wall?

 

You are a fucking weirdo.

6/19/19 9:29 AM
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She's the only one who said trump would win.
6/19/19 9:37 AM
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Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 


Everything she says reveals her to be human garbage.

 

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.""

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"It was only when Hitler invaded [the liberals'] precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler."

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil."

 

I am sure most of them in context are not that bad.  You are also not the best source so how about links to each of the comments to see the context.

 

She is filth as a human being. What he wrote isn’t all she’s said throughout the years. “ I have never seen people enjoy their husbands death so much”, speaking of the widows of the 9/11. 

6/19/19 9:38 AM
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lol @ saying you need context for those quotes. How strange that no one wants to bother to answer you seriously.

 

:“Of course we should go to war for oil. It's like saying, you're going to war just for oxygen, just for food. We need oil. That's a good reason to go to war.”

She added that she supported keeping U.S. troops in Iraq “because we wanted a puppet government, or at least a friendly government … [one] that will not shelter terrorists who will fly planes into our skyscrapers.”

You know you are being disingenuous by quoting those.  The same thing could be done for any of your left wing heroes.  Yes Coulter is a nut but what she is saying echoes the concerns of other critics of the miniseries which for some bizarre reason has drawn itself on political lines.

Did someone on Fox News say "disingenuous" and now you just apply it to anything you have no refutation for? Those are her words, and they show her to be a trash person spewing worthless hot takes at every opportunity. 

No I'm pretty sure you can't find comparable quotes for any of my "left wing heroes". 

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Vindell - 

Why do people hate her? Also not just some general statement because you are supposed to, she is on the right, or you just do not like her personality.

 


Everything she says reveals her to be human garbage.

 

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.""

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"It was only when Hitler invaded [the liberals'] precious Soviet Union that at the last minute they came in and suddenly started saying oh no, now you have to fight Hitler."

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot."

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil."

 

Jesus christ, do you have a poster of her and her quotes on your basement wall?

 

You are a fucking weirdo.

Whoa what's this Google thing????? You guys seen this??? It's bonkers!!!

6/19/19 10:00 AM
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Only on the OG will you find people that have been exonerated as 'for sure' guilty.

Coulter is making a ridiculous argument.

'If it was today, they'd find DNA evidence'. Well back then they found DNA evidence... and it didn't match these kids. So no, advances in crime scene forensics wouldn't magically find additional DNA when they already found DNA the first time. If their DNA was on the woman or the scene it is highly improbable none was found with the evidence they DID find.

And trying to pawn of Reyes as a patsy is fucking silly given he had a history of that type of crime, was able to provide non-public details, and was a DNA match.

Come the fuck on. Just because your right wing crazies like Coulter or a conman like Trump still believe exonerated kids are guilty of murder. There is a reason they were exonerated. There is a reason they also ended up winning over $40m over the whole debacle.
6/19/19 10:09 AM
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RdotC - Only on the OG will you find people that have been exonerated as 'for sure' guilty.

Coulter is making a ridiculous argument.

'If it was today, they'd find DNA evidence'. Well back then they found DNA evidence... and it didn't match these kids. So no, advances in crime scene forensics wouldn't magically find additional DNA when they already found DNA the first time. If their DNA was on the woman or the scene it is highly improbable none was found with the evidence they DID find.

And trying to pawn of Reyes as a patsy is fucking silly given he had a history of that type of crime, was able to provide non-public details, and was a DNA match.

Come the fuck on. Just because your right wing crazies like Coulter or a conman like Trump still believe exonerated kids are guilty of murder. There is a reason they were exonerated. There is a reason they also ended up winning over $40m over the whole debacle.

Let's not forget that OJ was also exonerated.
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RdotC - Only on the OG will you find people that have been exonerated as 'for sure' guilty.

Coulter is making a ridiculous argument.

'If it was today, they'd find DNA evidence'. Well back then they found DNA evidence... and it didn't match these kids. So no, advances in crime scene forensics wouldn't magically find additional DNA when they already found DNA the first time. If their DNA was on the woman or the scene it is highly improbable none was found with the evidence they DID find.

And trying to pawn of Reyes as a patsy is fucking silly given he had a history of that type of crime, was able to provide non-public details, and was a DNA match.

Come the fuck on. Just because your right wing crazies like Coulter or a conman like Trump still believe exonerated kids are guilty of murder. There is a reason they were exonerated. There is a reason they also ended up winning over $40m over the whole debacle.

Let's not forget that OJ was also exonerated.

If you can't see the massive difference, you are a retard.

These kids were convicted, proven innocent via a confession and DNA evidence, won a giant lawsuit over the whole experience and you're comparing them to OJ...

Fuck outta here.
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lol @ saying you need context for those quotes. How strange that no one wants to bother to answer you seriously.

 

:“Of course we should go to war for oil. It's like saying, you're going to war just for oxygen, just for food. We need oil. That's a good reason to go to war.”

She added that she supported keeping U.S. troops in Iraq “because we wanted a puppet government, or at least a friendly government … [one] that will not shelter terrorists who will fly planes into our skyscrapers.”

You know you are being disingenuous by quoting those.  The same thing could be done for any of your left wing heroes.  Yes Coulter is a nut but what she is saying echoes the concerns of other critics of the miniseries which for some bizarre reason has drawn itself on political lines.

Did someone on Fox News say "disingenuous" and now you just apply it to anything you have no refutation for? Those are her words, and they show her to be a trash person spewing worthless hot takes at every opportunity. 

No I'm pretty sure you can't find comparable quotes for any of my "left wing heroes". 

Once again you prove that you just want to troll.  I'm sorry I attempted to discuss.  You are a worthless partisan hack who routinely ignores fact.