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10/14/19 10:00 AM
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Why is he getting banned seriously? What rule is he breaking? Regardless if you agree or disagree with him, banning him is not the answer.

 

Does this site stifle free speech now?

He got banned the first time for spamming his bs memes. I’m sure he got banned this time bc he straight up said he was the guy that got BANNED.. Lol he’s a bright one and your leader so I’m not shocked.

I'm for free speech, you aren't. Simple as that.

 

That explains a lot in this thread.

So spamming memes on a thread on the OG is a free speech issue for you?? You’re a dumb mf’er. Why don’t you follow your boy into the abyss. It’s obvious the OG has a vendetta against your type. BYE...

You clearly don't get the concept of free speech. Memes are a part of internet culture now and aren't going away. His memes were on topic and he also posted more written comments than memes. If you're for free speech you don't ban someone because your feelings are hurt.

10/14/19 10:56 AM
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Banning pubeface wasn't the right thing to do imo. He should be free to make an ass out of himself like the other posters here
10/14/19 11:09 AM
7/15/11
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Why is he getting banned seriously? What rule is he breaking? Regardless if you agree or disagree with him, banning him is not the answer.

 

Does this site stifle free speech now?

He got banned the first time for spamming his bs memes. I’m sure he got banned this time bc he straight up said he was the guy that got BANNED.. Lol he’s a bright one and your leader so I’m not shocked.

I'm for free speech, you aren't. Simple as that.

 

That explains a lot in this thread.

So spamming memes on a thread on the OG is a free speech issue for you?? You’re a dumb mf’er. Why don’t you follow your boy into the abyss. It’s obvious the OG has a vendetta against your type. BYE...

You clearly don't get the concept of free speech. Memes are a part of internet culture now and aren't going away. His memes were on topic and he also posted more written comments than memes. If you're for free speech you don't ban someone because your feelings are hurt.

Posting memes is okay. SPAMMING threads is not and he would cover pages in that BS. That last line is adorable. You really think that don’t you?? I eagerly await your exit with muh hurt feelers!

10/14/19 11:11 AM
7/15/11
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ABCTT_TFK_Mr.Smiff - Banning pubeface wasn't the right thing to do imo. He should be free to make an ass out of himself like the other posters here

He’ll be back do you worry. Hopefully he doesn’t out himself right off the bat this time. Ease into Sideburns!!!

Edited: 10/14/19 11:33 AM
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Who’s the guy who said they weren’t stopping medical exemptions in NY? 

Please watch this report from WKBW in Buffalo about fighting the denial of a longstanding medical exemption for their child who are fighting back.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/blasdell-boy-stuck-in-vaccine-debate?fbclid=IwAR07v8TRpWZd_suXNNbV70t0xC217eSuLkbWEAOho_ws8L6ZsJV6DAD1rD4

 

     And please read this Albany Times Union Article about the two families who also had their medical exemptions denied.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Vaccination-opponents-say-their-medical-14499097.php?

fbclid=IwAR1zG_ZNH0Z12Yw4emnR_PaOACYu0gMfLyFjc4Pxr_J2tC1yguV34tCOzJ4#item-85307-tbla-5

 

     And this article about a father of a child with a medical exemption who is suing his school district.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws

 

   New York State and has one of the lowest rates of medical exemption approval in the US. And New York City probably has the lowest of any state or region: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6640a3.htm?s_cid=mm6640a3_w

 

More blatant lies from the idiot. They're not removing medical exemptions, they're just enforcing their criteria for medical exemptions.

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws



This child has autism, and that has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine vulnerability and is not a reason for medical exemption. All your cited links are variations of this. Another one with juvenile epileptic seizures which have nothing to do with vaccines. The idea that autism and juvenile seizures are caused by vaccines is thoroughly debunked wish wash which idiots like yourself have pushed and confused families like your above linked have fallen for. Medical exemptions doesn't mean exemptions because of any random medical disorder or because of bull shit Conspiracy myths idiots like yourself have pushed. It mean actually being allergic to the vaccine or having certain conditions or genetic predispositions that put you into a risk factor for vaccines, none of which your above links demonstrate.

False medical exemption claims where a family as butt fuck retarded as yourself is trying to parade an unrelated disorder as some type of vulnerability or counter indication do not count. Like everything else you post, it's both idiotic and self-defeating. Even one of them had a neurologist claim that he should get an exemption, but you literally won't find a single piece of peer reviewed literature suggesting any relation beyond a thoroughly debunked case study from the 90s IIRC. Of course you'll hear from basically any doctor or medical professional how rarely treatment schedules are evidence-based or optimized and how antiquated most hospital practices are, but great on you for always hunting out the rare or unique case of a poor research article or idiot doctor and trusting that over the 99% of quality research and knowledge hanging out there for you. 

 Now go out back to your regular routine of eating paint chips and leave the science to people with a GED minimum.

It's funny how you say vaccines don't cause seizures when there's plenty of evidence that states otherwise. The thread hero lying through his teeth like usual.

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/nonfebrile-seizures/nonfebrile-seizures-after-mmrv-virus-combination-vaccination/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/hospitalization/adverse-events-following-12-and-18-month-vaccinations/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/febrile-seizures/measles-mumps-rubella-varicella-vaccine-and-the-risk-of-febrile-seizures/doc.pdf

My God, you suck and can't understand science. Of those three links, only the third has a good design, and even then, it's only comparing MMR+V vs. MMRV, and the increased risk is 0.000043 lol

Again, I've said it one hundred times, it's not that there isn't any inherent risk in vaccines, it's that it's significantly safer than the alternatives of not being vaccinated. Do you even know what a febrile seizure is? It's a fever-induced seizure and the risks exist in infected individuals -- in fact, I think the rate is roughly 1/20 of babies undergo a febrile seizure.


Btw, that type of risk is well known and documented by the CDC. Again, you act like this is hidden material when it's quite literally paraded openly by the CDC and other organizations that try to be as transparent as possible.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html

^^^ Really hidden away lol


This is also different than trying to mechanistically link vaccines as a means to exacerbate LGS which specifically occurs from severe brain infections. In fact, they've tried linking LGS to vaccines multiple times, and besides shitty anecdotal case studies like your first link (which is actually looking at non febrile seizures), there's been very poor epidemiological evidence. Ironically, all three of your links strongly suggest the need for vaccinations, even when giving themselves a lot of leeway to be more dramatic on effect size.

The most exaggerated tone of these three articles is likely the middle one, and they even agree,

"Given the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in eliminating both measles and rubella, and the highly infectious nature of these diseases, high vaccination coverage is essential. The diseases that the vaccines are preventing are not benign and vaccination can eliminate many of the serious sequelae of these infections [20].Complications from measles include otitis media (7–9% of cases),pneumonia (1–6% of cases), encephalitis (1 per 1,000–2,000 cases),subacute sclerosing panecephalitis (1 per 100,000 cases), and death(1 per 3000 cases) [3,21]"


That's the irony, you morons don't understand basic risk calculations or statistics. You compare a worst case cenario of a vaccination to the best case scenario of an unvaccinated. It's just silly. Yes vaccines have incredibly minor risks and should be continued to be researched and the information disseminated, JUST LIKE THE CDC LINK I INCLUDED DOES. That doesn't change the incredible amount of evidence showing the *fucking huge* amount of lives they improve and the gigantic improvements they cause in health outcomes on a population level.

10/14/19 4:52 PM
10/24/10
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Who’s the guy who said they weren’t stopping medical exemptions in NY? 

Please watch this report from WKBW in Buffalo about fighting the denial of a longstanding medical exemption for their child who are fighting back.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/blasdell-boy-stuck-in-vaccine-debate?fbclid=IwAR07v8TRpWZd_suXNNbV70t0xC217eSuLkbWEAOho_ws8L6ZsJV6DAD1rD4

 

     And please read this Albany Times Union Article about the two families who also had their medical exemptions denied.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Vaccination-opponents-say-their-medical-14499097.php?

fbclid=IwAR1zG_ZNH0Z12Yw4emnR_PaOACYu0gMfLyFjc4Pxr_J2tC1yguV34tCOzJ4#item-85307-tbla-5

 

     And this article about a father of a child with a medical exemption who is suing his school district.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws

 

   New York State and has one of the lowest rates of medical exemption approval in the US. And New York City probably has the lowest of any state or region: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6640a3.htm?s_cid=mm6640a3_w

 

More blatant lies from the idiot. They're not removing medical exemptions, they're just enforcing their criteria for medical exemptions.

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws



This child has autism, and that has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine vulnerability and is not a reason for medical exemption. All your cited links are variations of this. Another one with juvenile epileptic seizures which have nothing to do with vaccines. The idea that autism and juvenile seizures are caused by vaccines is thoroughly debunked wish wash which idiots like yourself have pushed and confused families like your above linked have fallen for. Medical exemptions doesn't mean exemptions because of any random medical disorder or because of bull shit Conspiracy myths idiots like yourself have pushed. It mean actually being allergic to the vaccine or having certain conditions or genetic predispositions that put you into a risk factor for vaccines, none of which your above links demonstrate.

False medical exemption claims where a family as butt fuck retarded as yourself is trying to parade an unrelated disorder as some type of vulnerability or counter indication do not count. Like everything else you post, it's both idiotic and self-defeating. Even one of them had a neurologist claim that he should get an exemption, but you literally won't find a single piece of peer reviewed literature suggesting any relation beyond a thoroughly debunked case study from the 90s IIRC. Of course you'll hear from basically any doctor or medical professional how rarely treatment schedules are evidence-based or optimized and how antiquated most hospital practices are, but great on you for always hunting out the rare or unique case of a poor research article or idiot doctor and trusting that over the 99% of quality research and knowledge hanging out there for you. 

 Now go out back to your regular routine of eating paint chips and leave the science to people with a GED minimum.

It's funny how you say vaccines don't cause seizures when there's plenty of evidence that states otherwise. The thread hero lying through his teeth like usual.

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/nonfebrile-seizures/nonfebrile-seizures-after-mmrv-virus-combination-vaccination/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/hospitalization/adverse-events-following-12-and-18-month-vaccinations/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/febrile-seizures/measles-mumps-rubella-varicella-vaccine-and-the-risk-of-febrile-seizures/doc.pdf

My God, you suck and can't understand science. Of those three links, only the third has a good design, and even then, it's only comparing MMR+V vs. MMRV, and the increased risk is 0.000043 lol

Again, I've said it one hundred times, it's not that there isn't any inherent risk in vaccines, it's that it's significantly safer than the alternatives of not being vaccinated. Do you even know what a febrile seizure is? It's a fever-induced seizure and the risks exist in infected individuals -- in fact, I think the rate is roughly 1/20 of babies undergo a febrile seizure.


Btw, that type of risk is well known and documented by the CDC. Again, you act like this is hidden material when it's quite literally paraded openly by the CDC and other organizations that try to be as transparent as possible.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html

^^^ Really hidden away lol


This is also different than trying to mechanistically link vaccines as a means to exacerbate LGS which specifically occurs from severe brain infections. In fact, they've tried linking LGS to vaccines multiple times, and besides shitty anecdotal case studies like your first link (which is actually looking at non febrile seizures), there's been very poor epidemiological evidence. Ironically, all three of your links strongly suggest the need for vaccinations, even when giving themselves a lot of leeway to be more dramatic on effect size.

The most exaggerated tone of these three articles is likely the middle one, and they even agree,

"Given the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in eliminating both measles and rubella, and the highly infectious nature of these diseases, high vaccination coverage is essential. The diseases that the vaccines are preventing are not benign and vaccination can eliminate many of the serious sequelae of these infections [20].Complications from measles include otitis media (7–9% of cases),pneumonia (1–6% of cases), encephalitis (1 per 1,000–2,000 cases),subacute sclerosing panecephalitis (1 per 100,000 cases), and death(1 per 3000 cases) [3,21]"


That's the irony, you morons don't understand basic risk calculations or statistics. You compare a worst case cenario of a vaccination to the best case scenario of an unvaccinated. It's just silly. Yes vaccines have incredibly minor risks and should be continued to be researched and the information disseminated, JUST LIKE THE CDC LINK I INCLUDED DOES. That doesn't change the incredible amount of evidence showing the *fucking huge* amount of lives they improve and the gigantic improvements they cause in health outcomes on a population level.

But you said one page ago they don't cause seizures, and now you say they openly admit the risk of seizures. Thanks for admitting that you openly lie on behalf of "science".

 

MattyECB, the OG authority on which studies have good designs. If Matty boy says it's not good (his go to argument when vaccines are critiqued), trust that it's shit science!

 

You're a joke.

10/14/19 4:57 PM
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Who’s the guy who said they weren’t stopping medical exemptions in NY? 

Please watch this report from WKBW in Buffalo about fighting the denial of a longstanding medical exemption for their child who are fighting back.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/blasdell-boy-stuck-in-vaccine-debate?fbclid=IwAR07v8TRpWZd_suXNNbV70t0xC217eSuLkbWEAOho_ws8L6ZsJV6DAD1rD4

 

     And please read this Albany Times Union Article about the two families who also had their medical exemptions denied.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Vaccination-opponents-say-their-medical-14499097.php?

fbclid=IwAR1zG_ZNH0Z12Yw4emnR_PaOACYu0gMfLyFjc4Pxr_J2tC1yguV34tCOzJ4#item-85307-tbla-5

 

     And this article about a father of a child with a medical exemption who is suing his school district.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws

 

   New York State and has one of the lowest rates of medical exemption approval in the US. And New York City probably has the lowest of any state or region: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6640a3.htm?s_cid=mm6640a3_w

 

More blatant lies from the idiot. They're not removing medical exemptions, they're just enforcing their criteria for medical exemptions.

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws



This child has autism, and that has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine vulnerability and is not a reason for medical exemption. All your cited links are variations of this. Another one with juvenile epileptic seizures which have nothing to do with vaccines. The idea that autism and juvenile seizures are caused by vaccines is thoroughly debunked wish wash which idiots like yourself have pushed and confused families like your above linked have fallen for. Medical exemptions doesn't mean exemptions because of any random medical disorder or because of bull shit Conspiracy myths idiots like yourself have pushed. It mean actually being allergic to the vaccine or having certain conditions or genetic predispositions that put you into a risk factor for vaccines, none of which your above links demonstrate.

False medical exemption claims where a family as butt fuck retarded as yourself is trying to parade an unrelated disorder as some type of vulnerability or counter indication do not count. Like everything else you post, it's both idiotic and self-defeating. Even one of them had a neurologist claim that he should get an exemption, but you literally won't find a single piece of peer reviewed literature suggesting any relation beyond a thoroughly debunked case study from the 90s IIRC. Of course you'll hear from basically any doctor or medical professional how rarely treatment schedules are evidence-based or optimized and how antiquated most hospital practices are, but great on you for always hunting out the rare or unique case of a poor research article or idiot doctor and trusting that over the 99% of quality research and knowledge hanging out there for you. 

 Now go out back to your regular routine of eating paint chips and leave the science to people with a GED minimum.

It's funny how you say vaccines don't cause seizures when there's plenty of evidence that states otherwise. The thread hero lying through his teeth like usual.

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/nonfebrile-seizures/nonfebrile-seizures-after-mmrv-virus-combination-vaccination/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/hospitalization/adverse-events-following-12-and-18-month-vaccinations/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/febrile-seizures/measles-mumps-rubella-varicella-vaccine-and-the-risk-of-febrile-seizures/doc.pdf

My God, you suck and can't understand science. Of those three links, only the third has a good design, and even then, it's only comparing MMR+V vs. MMRV, and the increased risk is 0.000043 lol

Again, I've said it one hundred times, it's not that there isn't any inherent risk in vaccines, it's that it's significantly safer than the alternatives of not being vaccinated. Do you even know what a febrile seizure is? It's a fever-induced seizure and the risks exist in infected individuals -- in fact, I think the rate is roughly 1/20 of babies undergo a febrile seizure.


Btw, that type of risk is well known and documented by the CDC. Again, you act like this is hidden material when it's quite literally paraded openly by the CDC and other organizations that try to be as transparent as possible.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html

^^^ Really hidden away lol


This is also different than trying to mechanistically link vaccines as a means to exacerbate LGS which specifically occurs from severe brain infections. In fact, they've tried linking LGS to vaccines multiple times, and besides shitty anecdotal case studies like your first link (which is actually looking at non febrile seizures), there's been very poor epidemiological evidence. Ironically, all three of your links strongly suggest the need for vaccinations, even when giving themselves a lot of leeway to be more dramatic on effect size.

The most exaggerated tone of these three articles is likely the middle one, and they even agree,

"Given the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in eliminating both measles and rubella, and the highly infectious nature of these diseases, high vaccination coverage is essential. The diseases that the vaccines are preventing are not benign and vaccination can eliminate many of the serious sequelae of these infections [20].Complications from measles include otitis media (7–9% of cases),pneumonia (1–6% of cases), encephalitis (1 per 1,000–2,000 cases),subacute sclerosing panecephalitis (1 per 100,000 cases), and death(1 per 3000 cases) [3,21]"


That's the irony, you morons don't understand basic risk calculations or statistics. You compare a worst case cenario of a vaccination to the best case scenario of an unvaccinated. It's just silly. Yes vaccines have incredibly minor risks and should be continued to be researched and the information disseminated, JUST LIKE THE CDC LINK I INCLUDED DOES. That doesn't change the incredible amount of evidence showing the *fucking huge* amount of lives they improve and the gigantic improvements they cause in health outcomes on a population level.

But you said one page ago they don't cause seizures, and now you say they openly admit the risk of seizures. Thanks for admitting that you openly lie on behalf of "science".

 

MattyECB, the OG authority on which studies have good designs. If Matty boy says it's not good (his go to argument when vaccines are critiqued), trust that it's shit science!

 

You're a joke.

Theres a risk of seizure turning on house lights. Dumb argument.

10/14/19 5:08 PM
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10/14/19 6:29 PM
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Who’s the guy who said they weren’t stopping medical exemptions in NY? 

Please watch this report from WKBW in Buffalo about fighting the denial of a longstanding medical exemption for their child who are fighting back.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/blasdell-boy-stuck-in-vaccine-debate?fbclid=IwAR07v8TRpWZd_suXNNbV70t0xC217eSuLkbWEAOho_ws8L6ZsJV6DAD1rD4

 

     And please read this Albany Times Union Article about the two families who also had their medical exemptions denied.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Vaccination-opponents-say-their-medical-14499097.php?

fbclid=IwAR1zG_ZNH0Z12Yw4emnR_PaOACYu0gMfLyFjc4Pxr_J2tC1yguV34tCOzJ4#item-85307-tbla-5

 

     And this article about a father of a child with a medical exemption who is suing his school district.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws

 

   New York State and has one of the lowest rates of medical exemption approval in the US. And New York City probably has the lowest of any state or region: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6640a3.htm?s_cid=mm6640a3_w

 

More blatant lies from the idiot. They're not removing medical exemptions, they're just enforcing their criteria for medical exemptions.

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2019/10/03/local-boy-with-autism-still-fighting-court-battle-over-ny-vaccine-laws



This child has autism, and that has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine vulnerability and is not a reason for medical exemption. All your cited links are variations of this. Another one with juvenile epileptic seizures which have nothing to do with vaccines. The idea that autism and juvenile seizures are caused by vaccines is thoroughly debunked wish wash which idiots like yourself have pushed and confused families like your above linked have fallen for. Medical exemptions doesn't mean exemptions because of any random medical disorder or because of bull shit Conspiracy myths idiots like yourself have pushed. It mean actually being allergic to the vaccine or having certain conditions or genetic predispositions that put you into a risk factor for vaccines, none of which your above links demonstrate.

False medical exemption claims where a family as butt fuck retarded as yourself is trying to parade an unrelated disorder as some type of vulnerability or counter indication do not count. Like everything else you post, it's both idiotic and self-defeating. Even one of them had a neurologist claim that he should get an exemption, but you literally won't find a single piece of peer reviewed literature suggesting any relation beyond a thoroughly debunked case study from the 90s IIRC. Of course you'll hear from basically any doctor or medical professional how rarely treatment schedules are evidence-based or optimized and how antiquated most hospital practices are, but great on you for always hunting out the rare or unique case of a poor research article or idiot doctor and trusting that over the 99% of quality research and knowledge hanging out there for you. 

 Now go out back to your regular routine of eating paint chips and leave the science to people with a GED minimum.

It's funny how you say vaccines don't cause seizures when there's plenty of evidence that states otherwise. The thread hero lying through his teeth like usual.

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/nonfebrile-seizures/nonfebrile-seizures-after-mmrv-virus-combination-vaccination/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/hospitalization/adverse-events-following-12-and-18-month-vaccinations/doc.pdf

 

https://ashley-everly.s3.amazonaws.com/adverse-reactions/febrile-seizures/measles-mumps-rubella-varicella-vaccine-and-the-risk-of-febrile-seizures/doc.pdf

My God, you suck and can't understand science. Of those three links, only the third has a good design, and even then, it's only comparing MMR+V vs. MMRV, and the increased risk is 0.000043 lol

Again, I've said it one hundred times, it's not that there isn't any inherent risk in vaccines, it's that it's significantly safer than the alternatives of not being vaccinated. Do you even know what a febrile seizure is? It's a fever-induced seizure and the risks exist in infected individuals -- in fact, I think the rate is roughly 1/20 of babies undergo a febrile seizure.


Btw, that type of risk is well known and documented by the CDC. Again, you act like this is hidden material when it's quite literally paraded openly by the CDC and other organizations that try to be as transparent as possible.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html

^^^ Really hidden away lol


This is also different than trying to mechanistically link vaccines as a means to exacerbate LGS which specifically occurs from severe brain infections. In fact, they've tried linking LGS to vaccines multiple times, and besides shitty anecdotal case studies like your first link (which is actually looking at non febrile seizures), there's been very poor epidemiological evidence. Ironically, all three of your links strongly suggest the need for vaccinations, even when giving themselves a lot of leeway to be more dramatic on effect size.

The most exaggerated tone of these three articles is likely the middle one, and they even agree,

"Given the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in eliminating both measles and rubella, and the highly infectious nature of these diseases, high vaccination coverage is essential. The diseases that the vaccines are preventing are not benign and vaccination can eliminate many of the serious sequelae of these infections [20].Complications from measles include otitis media (7–9% of cases),pneumonia (1–6% of cases), encephalitis (1 per 1,000–2,000 cases),subacute sclerosing panecephalitis (1 per 100,000 cases), and death(1 per 3000 cases) [3,21]"


That's the irony, you morons don't understand basic risk calculations or statistics. You compare a worst case cenario of a vaccination to the best case scenario of an unvaccinated. It's just silly. Yes vaccines have incredibly minor risks and should be continued to be researched and the information disseminated, JUST LIKE THE CDC LINK I INCLUDED DOES. That doesn't change the incredible amount of evidence showing the *fucking huge* amount of lives they improve and the gigantic improvements they cause in health outcomes on a population level.

But you said one page ago they don't cause seizures, and now you say they openly admit the risk of seizures. Thanks for admitting that you openly lie on behalf of "science".

 

MattyECB, the OG authority on which studies have good designs. If Matty boy says it's not good (his go to argument when vaccines are critiqued), trust that it's shit science!

 

You're a joke.

Theres a risk of seizure turning on house lights. Dumb argument.

Vaccines have been proven to cause encephalopathy. Encephalopathy can manifest as epilepsy. You think all of these kids that have seizures are just random occurrences? Epilepsy cases continue to drastically rise along with the vaccination rates. Stop being naive.

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11 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 1876

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

10 days ago
10/24/10
Posts: 2431
jbc -

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/water-quality-in-samoa/

 

Somoa, two tiny islands in the South Pacific with massive natural resources pollution issues (including drinking water), issues with proper solid waste disposal, and below average healthcare. The media loves to use these less fortunate populations as a fear mongering tactic to scare people into mandatory vaccinations in other areas that don't have these same issues. The measles are not dangerous unless these other factors come into play, which then increases the danger levels of ANY "simple" sickness in children and the elderly.

 

Try harder.

10 days ago
2/11/14
Posts: 3945
The Last Emperor -
jbc -

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/water-quality-in-samoa/

 

Somoa, two tiny islands in the South Pacific with massive natural resources pollution issues (including drinking water), issues with proper solid waste disposal, and below average healthcare. The media loves to use these less fortunate populations as a fear mongering tactic to scare people into mandatory vaccinations in other areas that don't have these same issues. The measles are not dangerous unless these other factors come into play, which then increases the danger levels of ANY "simple" sickness in children and the elderly.

 

Try harder.

Oops. Cook Islands have the exact same problems, yet 90% vaccination rates stopped the same diseases.  

 

Try harder. 

Edited: 10 days ago
10/24/10
Posts: 2432
Wylong06 -
The Last Emperor -
jbc -

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/water-quality-in-samoa/

 

Somoa, two tiny islands in the South Pacific with massive natural resources pollution issues (including drinking water), issues with proper solid waste disposal, and below average healthcare. The media loves to use these less fortunate populations as a fear mongering tactic to scare people into mandatory vaccinations in other areas that don't have these same issues. The measles are not dangerous unless these other factors come into play, which then increases the danger levels of ANY "simple" sickness in children and the elderly.

 

Try harder.

Oops. Cook Islands have the exact same problems, yet 90% vaccination rates stopped the same diseases.  

 

Try harder. 

So vaccinate these areas that actually may need it and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

 

Or better yet...try to actually solve the other issues that make harmless sicknesses dangerous.

10 days ago
5/14/08
Posts: 10805
nubs - There is no scientific evidence that will convince a anti vaxxer they are wrong. Don't bother. Phone Post 3.0

8/9/2016

10 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 1878
Wylong06 -
The Last Emperor -
jbc -

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/water-quality-in-samoa/

 

Somoa, two tiny islands in the South Pacific with massive natural resources pollution issues (including drinking water), issues with proper solid waste disposal, and below average healthcare. The media loves to use these less fortunate populations as a fear mongering tactic to scare people into mandatory vaccinations in other areas that don't have these same issues. The measles are not dangerous unless these other factors come into play, which then increases the danger levels of ANY "simple" sickness in children and the elderly.

 

Try harder.

Oops. Cook Islands have the exact same problems, yet 90% vaccination rates stopped the same diseases.  

 

Try harder. 

Correct, Cook Islands, Tonga and Fiji have had much lower levels of measles outbreak this year, and that can be traced directly to their higher vaccination rates.

Robert Kennedy Jr. even visited Samoa in June to propagate his antivax agenda.  Wonder how he feels now, or whether he'd be willing to visit Samoa now?   Oh wait, there's a government shutdown so maybe he can't.

 

10 days ago
10/24/10
Posts: 2433
jbc -
Wylong06 -
The Last Emperor -
jbc -

Antivax scenario played out in real life in Samoa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680

1. Nurse messes up vaccine injection and kills two children (dliuted sample with (expired) muscle relaxant instead of water - a terrible mistake).

2. Public gets scared of vaccines - whipped up by the hysteria of anti-vaxxers - and the vaccine rate in children drops to 30% in Samoa

3. Measles outbreak this year.  Over 3,000 cases and 53 deaths so far; 48 of which are children.

4. Nearby Cook Islands and Nauru, where vaccination rates are >90% don't have the same problem.

 

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/water-quality-in-samoa/

 

Somoa, two tiny islands in the South Pacific with massive natural resources pollution issues (including drinking water), issues with proper solid waste disposal, and below average healthcare. The media loves to use these less fortunate populations as a fear mongering tactic to scare people into mandatory vaccinations in other areas that don't have these same issues. The measles are not dangerous unless these other factors come into play, which then increases the danger levels of ANY "simple" sickness in children and the elderly.

 

Try harder.

Oops. Cook Islands have the exact same problems, yet 90% vaccination rates stopped the same diseases.  

 

Try harder. 

Correct, Cook Islands, Tonga and Fiji have had much lower levels of measles outbreak this year, and that can be traced directly to their higher vaccination rates.

Robert Kennedy Jr. even visited Samoa in June to propagate his antivax agenda.  Wonder how he feels now, or whether he'd be willing to visit Samoa now?   Oh wait, there's a government shutdown so maybe he can't.

 

https://www.who.int/chp/chronic_disease_report/samoa.pdf?ua=1

 

Samoa needs a cardiovascular disease vaccine asap. It's killing over 30% of their population. Where's the outrage?!

9 hours ago
10/24/10
Posts: 2444


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