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8/9/16 9:10 PM
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Festus -
MayorPirkle - You got all these parents railing against vaccines, while there is a vaccine sitting in storage in England that I would murder anyone on this board to get my hands on if I could. Funny how different humans can be. Phone Post 3.0
I have to know what? Phone Post 3.0
http://crohnsmapvaccine.com/ Phone Post 3.0
8/9/16 9:59 PM
5/22/16
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I used to think vaccines were for protecting myself, and since I didn't need to be protected, I didn't need to be vaccinated. Then I learned that I needed to be inoculated so I can protect others who are unable to take vaccines. Now I even get flu shots knowing how ineffective they can be so I can help raise the herd immunity. Phone Post 3.0
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<blockquote>treesmasher - <span id='userPost57915466' class='User-366372'><blockquote>Mark1 - <span id='userPost57915127' class='User-103572'><blockquote>treesmasher - depends. which vaccines? is all the extra crap the put in vaccines necessary? i think those are legit questions.</blockquote>Lol. What "extra crap"<br><br>Mark <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br />http://www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/vaccine_ingredients/<br /><br />this is the official governments pro vaccine description of some of the ingredients found in vaccines. now ask yourself this - do you trust the government to honestly and accurately be trusted with ANYTHING let alone something that is potentially going to be forcefully injected or taken in you or your kids? <br /><br />i just find it odd that most people question and are skeptical about the government but certain things like vaccines they become complete plebs. im not anti-vaccine by any means but if i ever have kids id want to know what they are pumping into them and why. theres just way too much crap in some of these vaccines.</span></blockquote><br /> I'll add to this- has anyone here done any research or reading about why people are against vaccines. Talk about following blindly. <br />Here's a question to ponder? Ask the oldest person you know how many vaccines they had. i'm going to guess it's less than 10. Now how many vaccines they do they want kids today get? Why the difference? And couldn't all those old people give us diseases? Shouldn't they be getting sick?. Shouldn't we be running around vaccinating all those old people? How many less vaccines have people in their 80s gotten than a child 8 years old? ? If your kid is vaccinated why are you concerned about the unvaccinated? Do you trust Big Pharna? You don't believe that they have ability to manipulate and suppressed "science". How many medications have been put out after being tested, and would later be retracted because people were getting sick and dying. Shit cigarettes were pushed by Drs. the top for pharmaceutical companies that create vaccines have been fined, for doing illegal shit in the billions. I believe the top company was fined $10 billion. If you can manipulate people and the media you can manipulate anything. Not talking about a few bucks here, were talking about billions of dollars.
Yes my kids are vaccinated.
8/9/16 11:11 PM
1/19/04
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Saying you are a fucking idiot for not vaccinating because of science is not a valid argument. Why? Because you are just regurgitating what you here on TV. Is most of it solid? I think so. There's lots of holes in there. If you don't see it you're not doing your homework. Any time $ is involved there's fuckery.
8/10/16 12:19 AM
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treesmasher -
Mark1 - 
treesmasher - depends. which vaccines? is all the extra crap the put in vaccines necessary? i think those are legit questions.
Lol. What "extra crap"

Mark Phone Post 3.0

http://www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/vaccine_ingredients/

this is the official governments pro vaccine description of some of the ingredients found in vaccines. now ask yourself this - do you trust the government to honestly and accurately be trusted with ANYTHING let alone something that is potentially going to be forcefully injected or taken in you or your kids?

i just find it odd that most people question and are skeptical about the government but certain things like vaccines they become complete plebs. im not anti-vaccine by any means but if i ever have kids id want to know what they are pumping into them and why. theres just way too much crap in some of these vaccines.
Instead of having an opinion that there is "crap" in vaccines, why don't you ask some actual experts (scientists-not bloggers that couldn't even get into med school) what each of the ingredients does? Phone Post 3.0
8/10/16 12:22 AM
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Beards - Saying you are a fucking idiot for not vaccinating because of science is not a valid argument. Why? Because you are just regurgitating what you here on TV. Is most of it solid? I think so. There's lots of holes in there. If you don't see it you're not doing your homework. Any time $ is involved there's fuckery.
I actually agree with most of that. The only problem is the only evidence i have been shown regarding the anti vaxxer stance has been in the form of an internet meme. The evidence of vaccines working is everywhere. The eradication of numerous diseases and such. I havent seen the study that really validates the anti vaxxers stance Phone Post 3.0
8/10/16 12:24 AM
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Beards - Saying you are a fucking idiot for not vaccinating because of science is not a valid argument. Why? Because you are just regurgitating what you here on TV. Is most of it solid? I think so. There's lots of holes in there. If you don't see it you're not doing your homework. Any time $ is involved there's fuckery.
If you trust yourself over the scientific community in matters of science that you are not qualified to understand, you are proving that you are attracted completely implausible conspiracy theories. Phone Post 3.0
8/16/16 9:23 AM
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http://www.healio.com/hematology-oncology/news/print/hemonc-today/%7B241d62a7-fe6e-4c5b-9fed-a33cc6e4bd7c%7D/cigarettes-were-once-physician-tested-approved
8/16/16 9:28 AM
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My point is that most people get their information from the news. Do you believe anything you hear on tv? That's how they "know" vaccines are safe. Do your own research. Yes I'm sure some vaccines have change the world in amazing ways. But vaccines do injure, it's a fact, to blindly follow big Pharna would be pure idiocy. They aren't out for anything but your $.
8/16/16 9:29 AM
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demandango - 
Beards - Saying you are a fucking idiot for not vaccinating because of science is not a valid argument. Why? Because you are just regurgitating what you here on TV. Is most of it solid? I think so. There's lots of holes in there. If you don't see it you're not doing your homework. Any time $ is involved there's fuckery.
If you trust yourself over the scientific community in matters of science that you are not qualified to understand, you are proving that you are attracted completely implausible conspiracy theories. Phone Post 3.0

Anything can be manipulated if you have enough people, media, and $.
8/16/16 9:39 AM
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^ the next level of tin foil hat is a cookie sheet folded to look like a pirate hat and I believe Beard is wearing one Phone Post 3.0
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https://youtu.be/XdLyMhNdcSc
This guy nails it
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Southpaw76 - I have a family member posting all this crap on facebook against vaccines. Now she is starting arguments with others in my family. Ive always thought it was idiotic to skip vaccines that can prevent terrible diseases, but i dont know enough about the actual research out there.

Would love to hear from both sides on this. Need info if i get pulled into this debate, thanks Phone Post 3.0

 

Youre gonna have to do your own "research".  
 
Because youre going to get biased responses on both sides of the argument.  
 
As it currently stands, it is illegal to sue the manufactures of vaccines for damage caused by their product.  
 
You can sue them for other reasons: mislabeling, “false” advertising etc.
 
At the moment, there are two "major" vaccine related law suits pending (that I'm aware of): United States v. Merck & Co. and Chatom Primary Care v. Merck & Co.  IIRC both suits are based on former employee whistle blowers.
 
In lieu of being able to sue the vaccine manufacturers, our government has set up the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  To date the VICP has paid out $3.3 Billion to compensate people injured by vaccines.
 
But its not a transparent "court".  For example, in the case of Ryan Mojabi, the concession document is under seal and the case was "unpublished" meaning information is limited, and access to medical records and other exhibits are blocked.
 
The movie Vaxxed is about another whistle blower who claims that the CDC worked in collusion with vaccine manufacturers to conceal evidence showing that vaccines are harmful.
 
I would tend to agree that the % of people harmed by vaccines is relatively small but theres no definitive way to determine the numbers because there is a concerted effort to silence any criticism.
 
Good luck.
8/16/16 11:19 AM
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Beards - https://youtu.be/XdLyMhNdcSc
This guy nails it

 

8/16/16 4:53 PM
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Beards -
demandango - 
Beards - Saying you are a fucking idiot for not vaccinating because of science is not a valid argument. Why? Because you are just regurgitating what you here on TV. Is most of it solid? I think so. There's lots of holes in there. If you don't see it you're not doing your homework. Any time $ is involved there's fuckery.
If you trust yourself over the scientific community in matters of science that you are not qualified to understand, you are proving that you are attracted completely implausible conspiracy theories. Phone Post 3.0

Anything can be manipulated if you have enough people, media, and $.
Dunning Kruger Phone Post 3.0
8/16/16 9:44 PM
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FreightTrain -
Southpaw76 - I have a family member posting all this crap on facebook against vaccines. Now she is starting arguments with others in my family. Ive always thought it was idiotic to skip vaccines that can prevent terrible diseases, but i dont know enough about the actual research out there.

Would love to hear from both sides on this. Need info if i get pulled into this debate, thanks Phone Post 3.0

 

Youre gonna have to do your own "research".  
 
Because youre going to get biased responses on both sides of the argument.  
 
As it currently stands, it is illegal to sue the manufactures of vaccines for damage caused by their product.  
 
You can sue them for other reasons: mislabeling, “false” advertising etc.
 
At the moment, there are two "major" vaccine related law suits pending (that I'm aware of): United States v. Merck & Co. and Chatom Primary Care v. Merck & Co.  IIRC both suits are based on former employee whistle blowers.
 
In lieu of being able to sue the vaccine manufacturers, our government has set up the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  To date the VICP has paid out $3.3 Billion to compensate people injured by vaccines.
 
But its not a transparent "court".  For example, in the case of Ryan Mojabi, the concession document is under seal and the case was "unpublished" meaning information is limited, and access to medical records and other exhibits are blocked.
 
The movie Vaxxed is about another whistle blower who claims that the CDC worked in collusion with vaccine manufacturers to conceal evidence showing that vaccines are harmful.
 
I would tend to agree that the % of people harmed by vaccines is relatively small but theres no definitive way to determine the numbers because there is a concerted effort to silence any criticism.
 
Good luck.
Tonne of bs in here Phone Post 3.0
8/16/16 9:51 PM
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Honestly, I'd be more worried about Guillan Barre Syndrome than autism. At least when it comes to the flu vaccine.
8/16/16 10:04 PM
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Gotta pay the troll toll. Phone Post 3.0
8/16/16 10:26 PM
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MayorPirkle -
Festus -
MayorPirkle - You got all these parents railing against vaccines, while there is a vaccine sitting in storage in England that I would murder anyone on this board to get my hands on if I could. Funny how different humans can be. Phone Post 3.0
I have to know what? Phone Post 3.0
http://crohnsmapvaccine.com/ Phone Post 3.0
Could you fly over there and pay to get what you want? Phone Post 3.0
8/17/16 12:41 PM
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groundfighter2000 - Honestly, I'd be more worried about Guillan Barre Syndrome than autism. At least when it comes to the flu vaccine.
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/link-vaccines-guillain-barre-syndrome/ Phone Post 3.0
8/17/16 2:06 PM
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FingerorMoon -
MayorPirkle -
Festus -
MayorPirkle - You got all these parents railing against vaccines, while there is a vaccine sitting in storage in England that I would murder anyone on this board to get my hands on if I could. Funny how different humans can be. Phone Post 3.0
I have to know what? Phone Post 3.0
http://crohnsmapvaccine.com/ Phone Post 3.0
Could you fly over there and pay to get what you want? Phone Post 3.0
The criteria for the trials is very very strict, starting with being a UK resident. I don't have near the kind of money necessary for it. I'm not sure how all of that works because you hear all the time about patients agreeing to experimental treatments that aren't gubmint approved. All I know is that this thing can't go through trial quick enough. The fact that it's a vaccine couldn't worry me less. Phone Post 3.0
8/17/16 6:59 PM
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MayorPirkle - 
FingerorMoon -
MayorPirkle -
Festus -
MayorPirkle - You got all these parents railing against vaccines, while there is a vaccine sitting in storage in England that I would murder anyone on this board to get my hands on if I could. Funny how different humans can be. Phone Post 3.0
I have to know what? Phone Post 3.0
http://crohnsmapvaccine.com/ Phone Post 3.0
Could you fly over there and pay to get what you want? Phone Post 3.0
The criteria for the trials is very very strict, starting with being a UK resident. I don't have near the kind of money necessary for it. I'm not sure how all of that works because you hear all the time about patients agreeing to experimental treatments that aren't gubmint approved. All I know is that this thing can't go through trial quick enough. The fact that it's a vaccine couldn't worry me less. Phone Post 3.0


Sucks to hear that man.
Hope it gets through the trail fast and you can get access.
Have a VU though if that helps :)
8/17/16 7:37 PM
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I work for an attorney and he had his 2nd kid and upon the child getting a vaccine, he and his wife immediately noticed a change over the next few days unlike their other child... He completely blames the vaccines Phone Post 3.0
8/17/16 7:45 PM
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Saint Louis - I work for an attorney and he had his 2nd kid and upon the child getting a vaccine, he and his wife immediately noticed a change over the next few days unlike their other child... He completely blames the vaccines Phone Post 3.0
Correlation vs causation.

It looks like many things were "caused by vaccines" to a laymen or an idiot because they happen around the same time, but further study has shown no causal link. This is why these people decide these things, because they can't tell the difference between correlation and causation. Phone Post 3.0
8/17/16 7:49 PM
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FreightTrain - 
Beards - https://youtu.be/XdLyMhNdcSc
This guy nails it

 


That is some of the worst reasoning and straw man arguing that I have seen in a long time.

That guy is a moron.